This could easily be fixed with training and fine tuning. Simply generate 100,000 examples or so, and train with ground truth until however long you want and its a solved problem.
Vision language models are blind
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#42Some of these samples are shocking. How do these models answer chart-based questions, I mean when they can't even count the intersections between two lines?
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#43Wow, that is embarrassingly bad performance for current SOTA models (GPT-4o, Gemini-1.5 Pro, Sonnet-3, Sonnet-3.5), which are advertised and sold as being able to understand images, e.g., for guiding the blind or tutoring children in geometry! The tasks at which they fail are ridiculously simple for human beings, including, for example: * counting the number of times two lines intersect; * detecting whether two circl…
I don't see how this is "embarrassing" in the slightest. These models are not human brains, and the fact that people equate them with human brains is an embarrassing failure of the humans more than anything about the models. It's entirely unsurprising that there are numerous cases that these models can't handle that are "obvious to humans." Machine learning has had this property since its invention and it's a classic…
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#44I've been generally frustrated at the lack of analysis of vision LLMs generally. They're clearly a very exciting category of technology, and a pretty recent one - they only got good last October with GPT-4 Vision, but since then we've had more vision models from Anthropic and Google Gemini. There's so much more information about there about text prompting compared to image prompting. I feel starved for useful informa…
I've assembled a bunch more notes here: https://simonwillison.net/tags/vision-llms/
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#45I'm curious if there'd be a way to emulate this (have the visual tokens be low fidelity at first, but allow the VLM to emit tokens that correspond to "focusing" on a region of the image with greater resolution). I'm not sure if/how it's possible to performantly train a model with "interactive" data like that, though
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#47Entertaining, but I think the conclusion is way off. > their vision is, at best, like that of a person with myopia seeing fine details as blurry is a crazy thing to write in an abstract. Did they try to probe that hypothesis at all? I could (well actually I can't) share some examples from my job of GPT-4v doing some pretty difficult fine-grained visual tasks that invalidate this. Personally, I rate this paper [1], wh…
It's not that far from reality, most models sees images in very low resolution/limited colors, so not so far from this description
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#48In the "Two circles" test, do they really have 50% chance of overlapping? I think this comes from "Distances between circle perimeters: -0.15 to 0.5 times the diameter" but doesn't say the distribution they use.
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#49When asking days for specific days of interest for the school year, AIs always struggle. They get some days right but forget some or fabulate new days. They fare a bit better if you remove some of the noise and give them only a picture of a month but even then, it's unreliable.