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Anti-Piracy Patent Aims to Stop Students from Sharing Textbooks

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I'm somewhat confused as to how this would work. Surely the university is responsible for awarding the degree and academic staff choose a supporting textbook to help students? So I assume universities wanting to use a textbook don't have to adopt the system.

I suppose you'd be forced to buy books from your school's bookstore (where they're ridiculously overpriced) to get online access pass which, as i recall from my school years, expires after certain time since purchase and cannot be reused. It's a clever way for this guy to make a few bucks off of poor students. He should be proud.

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#42

I'm tired of this. I am not going to pay for any product I can pirate anymore. I don't even feel guilty about it. If the artist wants money he should set up a donations account so I can pay him directly. I'm tired of these middlemen. I'm also tired of people preaching about how piracy is unethical. A copied piece of data is not equivalent to a lost sale. People cannot own information. You cannot own an algorithm or i…

Too often people are just ignorant about the law's purpose, or they just don't understand it. I can see why too, it's a simpler argument with a lot of money behind it for the creator to say they should own what they create rather than realizing the limited time monopoly was only a means to promote the progress of science and useful arts.

I wrote a bit about it here: http://zacharyalberico.com/post/16427595132/no-infringement-...

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#43

I'm tired of this. I am not going to pay for any product I can pirate anymore. I don't even feel guilty about it. If the artist wants money he should set up a donations account so I can pay him directly. I'm tired of these middlemen. I'm also tired of people preaching about how piracy is unethical. A copied piece of data is not equivalent to a lost sale. People cannot own information. You cannot own an algorithm or i…

What do you do for a living?

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#44

I'm tired of this. I am not going to pay for any product I can pirate anymore. I don't even feel guilty about it. If the artist wants money he should set up a donations account so I can pay him directly. I'm tired of these middlemen. I'm also tired of people preaching about how piracy is unethical. A copied piece of data is not equivalent to a lost sale. People cannot own information. You cannot own an algorithm or i…

I am not going to pay for any product I can pirate anymore.

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A copied piece of data is not equivalent to a lost sale

uhh huh?

Why not just declare that you're not going to look at anything that's subject to copyright any more? That way you can avoid paying those evil royalties to the people who create artwork, and nobody can say you're wrong.

Don't watch TV, don't listen to music, don't read any book published after [whatever the cutoff date is] and don't play video games. Sounds like that's what will make you happy.

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#45
How many books do we need for school? A hundred? Some charitable soul please donate $100MM so we can create 100 free books for our children's education and put some pressure in government to create laws to use these books in all elementary school across the nation. Then college, then university. Free forever.

Sorry maffias, can't fight against progress.

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#46

I really wouldn't mind paying for a textbook access code for every class I take, if the price was actually reasonable (unlike new textbook prices). In an ideal world: go around the print publishers and digitally publish books with an access code at a low price with nearly all proceeds going to the author. I have teachers that won't actually use textbooks because kids at my school cannot afford them. Professors will a…

> I really wouldn't mind living in a world where you can have a monopoly over ideas, if I am one of the few who can afford paying for those ideas. I would. It has much further and deeper implications in the bigger picture than just that one textbook that you could afford.

They're not trying to charge for access to the ideas. They're charging for the explanation of those ideas in text that a team of people crafted. They're charging way too much for it, but that's only because universities let them.

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#47

I'm tired of this. I am not going to pay for any product I can pirate anymore. I don't even feel guilty about it. If the artist wants money he should set up a donations account so I can pay him directly. I'm tired of these middlemen. I'm also tired of people preaching about how piracy is unethical. A copied piece of data is not equivalent to a lost sale. People cannot own information. You cannot own an algorithm or i…

> If the artist wants money he should set up a donations account so I can pay him directly.

1. If a musician doesn't want to have publishers taking a cut of the revenue from their music they are free to not have a publisher involved.

2. If a musician wants to distribute their music for free or have a pay what you want system they can.

If a musician chooses to use a publisher or big label then you should respect that; pretending that a publisher is a worthless middleman and using it to justify pirating media is laughable. If the publisher was worthless then the musician would not be using them, would they?

Do you really think people like Rihanna and One Direction wish they could set up a bandcamp account and get rid of the publishers? Of course not because publishers provide real tangible value.

Either respect the wishes of the musician by consuming through official channels or just pirate it, don't pretend you're a noble person by wanting to "donate" to the musician directly, if the musician wanted that they would not have a label involved.

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#48

How many books do we need for school? A hundred? Some charitable soul please donate $100MM so we can create 100 free books for our children's education and put some pressure in government to create laws to use these books in all elementary school across the nation. Then college, then university. Free forever. Sorry maffias, can't fight against progress.

Wikipedia shows you don't need $100M; people will contribute for free.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because that person made it? Are you saying people have no right to own the things they make? "I can only see so far because I'm standing in the shoulder of giants." Imagine if you had to pay for every one of the thousands little concept that your own idea (inevitably) derives from. That system would be unsustainable. We can only make progress because we can expand and improve on what were created before.

Who is arguing that one should pay for every previous idea that a new idea is derived from? That's a straw man. The argument for paying people for new IP is that for a limited time we should offer rewards for people to add to the collective knowledge of our society. So really in terms of your argument, the consumer isn't paying for "standing on the shoulder of giants" either. The consumer of IP is only paying for the…

> Who is arguing that one should pay for every previous idea that a new idea is derived from?

IP limits production to create artificial scarcity. No matter how you look at it, after you copyright or patent something. You are limiting what can be created in the world.

> As a society, we discovered that rewarding producers adds to the useful aggregate more than just hoping that they'll add the same amount of content without compensation

No we did not. Historically, Intellectual property was created as one more monopoly privilege for the monarchy. [1] Together with the monopoly selling rice, and other commodities, were the monopoly of printing books. At no point in history did we, as a society, conclude that if we limit reward producers it would add to the useful aggregate. That excuse was only invented after the "monopoly privilege" over copying books were renamed to "copy rights". At the same time that other monarchy monopolies were destroyed.

Society never discovered that it's worth in the aggregate. You cannot prove it's worth in the aggregate. Any attempt so far to measure the aggregate has been absurd. [2]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law

[2] http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html

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#50

This already is in widespread use, not sure how the professor expects this patent to hold up in any way. I had a 4 quarter French language requirement for my major for which I needed to purchase a $125 book, and then a $99 online fee to have access to the homework that was 20% of my grade. The real kicker? My $99 online fee only covers 12 months, 3 quarters is a calendar year without summer school, that fourth quarte…

I am flabbergasted. First, pay your tutition. Then you have to pay for access to all of the basic constituents of that education again?

If a teacher can't get you through a course by his or her own teaching, then they aren't worth it. You're only supposed to need those extra course packs if you're planning on skipping classes.

This is RMS prophecy coming to be and a lesson for me to always listen to crazy talk coming from well-bearded men.

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