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Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Their track record based on Humane AI does not exactly give the confidence on building an AI search you can trust. Also what a pivot from hardware to fact-checking?

Fact checking is not objective, you just need to convince someone that your facts jive with their perception.

It can be and they want to focus only on objective questions:

> To use an example nearer to my heart, say you want to compare how many Apple and Samsung devices were sold in the past five years. The service would locate and collate that information.

My question would be to what extent is this really a problem. Sounds like they're going to be competing with Google and Bloomberg which is a tough sell. Finding data quickly is their bread and butter.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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The skills required to become an exec are a lot of pitching yourself and networking to the right person to get your next job. Those skills are only slightly correlated with how good you actually are as an exec. Add to this that most companies don't like to take risks and will only hire an exec that has already be an exec somewhere else. To some level, once you make it through the exec glass ceiling, you are almost al…

> The skills required to become an exec are a lot of pitching yourself and networking to the right person to get your next job. Those skills are only slightly correlated with how good you actually are as an exec. source? large corporations harnessing and deploying massive resources have led to air travel, skyscrapers, cell phones, MRI machines, medicines, the green revolution, etc. all things that require undertaking…

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Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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How do egregiously failed execs continue to get funding and high profile gigs? It's not just with Humane. I've seen this with the Better.com founder, his second failure after UNCLE, and with execs from MSFT Xbox. I can't for the life of me understand how they continue to get opportunities. And how do I get in on it?

They haven't raised much funding yet:

> Infactory has thus raised a pre-seed, though its founders declined to confirm the amount or investors. Seed funding will be a focus for the next “six to 18 months,” per Hartley Moy.

A pre-seed round with anonymous investors doesn't mean much. It can be as simple as friends or even themselves.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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There are better and worse ways to do fact checking. Appealing to evidence is more objective than appealing to vibes or appealing to baseless authority. Once solid evidence is in sight then are usually some clean objective takes to be had and some fairly obvious or likely subjective takes that a reasonable viewer might have. The real problems happen when one side objects to what counts as evidence at all or one side…

> Appealing to evidence is more objective Assuming one's evidence is subjective, and one's judgment of it, and some other things. > than appealing to vibes or appealing to baseless authority. "Baseful" authorities are not necessarily objective. In fact, we have massive amounts of evidence that they are very often not.

Of course you are correct on both points. But subjective doesn't mean "wrong" or "open to every interpretation", it just mean more than one interpretation, and often narrowing down possibilities makes the truth easy to see.

Different people disagree for different reasons. But only the most deranged disagree that what they can do and effect is worse evidence than some authority. So things like "trying it for yourself" have worked consistently as evidence for most of history. Today "it" can be a bunch of different categories of experiments and experiences.

Even then lots of experiments are out of reach of most people, sometimes financially, sometimes intellectually. Some people think essential oils helped their cold go away in 3~5 days when most colds go away on their own in 3~5 days and. So there needs to be some delegation of authority. This is where a lot of problems leak it. Some people grant authority to some for silly reasons (like an a priori assumption they can do no wrong) other for good reasons (like lots of experience working in a relevant field with many published papers).

For many people exploring the different levels of subjective evidence can get two people to understand why the other believes something goofy. This takes time, isn't guaranteed, but it can be done at least some of the time to show where evidence and many beliefs fall on a gradient of quality. This fails when people hold some belief as firmer than reality, like what conspiracy theorists or religious zealots do.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)

How is the weather in Englin today ? Also if you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb on here, think of making comments that actually use technical jargon sometimes.

Pretty funny that you mention the IRA since I was threatened with open brain surgical torture by one of them a few months back. Like you, he assumed I was part of an opposite three letter agency. Do you guys never stop and consider that maybe, just maybe, the inevitable fate of conspiracy theorists is to become conspirators ? It always boils down to dialectics. Always.

For the wider audience running across this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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The skills required to become an exec are a lot of pitching yourself and networking to the right person to get your next job. Those skills are only slightly correlated with how good you actually are as an exec. Add to this that most companies don't like to take risks and will only hire an exec that has already be an exec somewhere else. To some level, once you make it through the exec glass ceiling, you are almost al…

> The skills required to become an exec are a lot of pitching yourself and networking to the right person to get your next job. Those skills are only slightly correlated with how good you actually are as an exec. source? large corporations harnessing and deploying massive resources have led to air travel, skyscrapers, cell phones, MRI machines, medicines, the green revolution, etc. all things that require undertaking…

Almost every economic system in history has had some impressive wins, but that doesn't mean that they are all perfectly efficient. Modern corporate capitalism isn't the worst system ever but that doesn't mean there aren't massive flaws and blindspots.

Becoming a large company CEO is highly correlated with who a person has spent time around. If it were a true meritocracy you would expect a roughly even distribution across regions and backgrounds, which is very much not the case.

If you ever work in a large corporation I can almost guarantee that you will encounter managers who are much better at networking and marketing themselves than they are at doing productive work.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)

How is the weather in Englin today ? Also if you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb on here, think of making comments that actually use technical jargon sometimes. Pretty funny that you mention the IRA since I was threatened with open brain surgical torture by one of them a few months back. Like you, he assumed I was part of an opposite three letter agency. Do you guys never stop and consider that maybe, just…

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

Also, please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, and please don't use HN primarily for political/ideological/nationalistic battle. Your account has already been doing a lot of those things and that's the sort of account we end up having to ban.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)

You broke the site guidelines badly with this comment and unfortunately have been posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments in other places, too:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40908934

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40793361

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40793252

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40770909

This is the sort of thing we have to ban accounts for in the end, and I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good things—so it would be good if you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, take the intended spirit of the site to heart, and stick to the rules in the future. We'd appreciate it.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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How's work going at the Internet Research Agency :)

You broke the site guidelines badly with this comment and unfortunately have been posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments in other places, too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40908934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40793361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40793252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40770909 This is the sort of thing we have to ban accounts for in the end, and I don't want t…

Well noted.

Re: Humane execs leave company to found AI fact-checking startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the weather in Englin today ? Also if you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb on here, think of making comments that actually use technical jargon sometimes. Pretty funny that you mention the IRA since I was threatened with open brain surgical torture by one of them a few months back. Like you, he assumed I was part of an opposite three letter agency. Do you guys never stop and consider that maybe, just…

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. Also, please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, and please don't use HN primarily for political/ideological/nationalistic battle. Your account has already been doing a lot of those things and that's the sort of account we end up having to ban. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>a lot

There isn't a single comment by this dude that isn't related to politics. Not one.

He's probably on a payroll.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40568392

Meanwhile I provided a link to an obscure proof assistant.

What is HN doing against shills, i.e. people that are tactful enough to steer opinion towards certain goals and let you think they "also posted good things" ? Is preventing confrontations on this problem a good tradeoff with the current state of the guidelines considering that political topics are a lot more present on HN than 10 years ago ? Or could fostering a culture of shill-spotting beneficial ?

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