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Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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Many "nothing to hide" proponents implicitly assume the only problem involves fact-based investigation by mostly-principled agents of a non-corrupt regime that has the same values people are comfy with today. However that's nowhere near the whole issue. We should also be scared of cases where some investigator or agency goes: "We need to make an example of somebody and That Dude is close enough." Or where regime chan…

Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.

Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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post #8

Another argument I hear often is that "they have no reason to surveil boring ordinary individuals." Sure nobody might have bothered to look into your private exchanges past aggregable metadata until half a decade or so ago, but with recent advancements in LLMs it takes mere moments to summarize or search through large batches of messages.

This can quickly evoke Godwin's law by stating jews living in europe (and the US) were boring ordinary individuals, until they weren't. Likewise, currently in Europe there's been an anti-muslim (boring, ordinary individuals) sentiment, where if certain people / factions gain enough power, they will be targeted - insofar as they aren't already.

Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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post #11

I think most people who say "I have nothing to hide" are just mimicking a slogan they no doubt heard someone they respect or at least think talks well say Another common refrain, especially since Snowden, is just glib defeatism ("they already have all my info anyway") which is also a poor way to think about policy (and to make personal choices, but I won't argue those with most people) I really think the main reason…

> spying is abstract to them. Not just spying, but for many/most - the harm is also. Most people struggle on the day-to-day; getting worked up that a random boogieman is compiling a profile on them to serve ads leads to a big pile of 'so?'. When Windows Recall was announced as an example; I started asking (non tech, mostly boomer) people their take on it. I almost universally got a 'neat!' response. The security impl…

Most animals are bad at learning stochastic or even unreliable patterns, even when doing important things like threat assessment

Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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Privacy is not about secrets.

Privacy is the right to sovereignty over one's personal/intimate sphere - whether it's insight to information about oneself or physical contact. The right to consent, for instance, would be a component of the right to privacy.

It's about power. And by extension it's about the power balance between the people and any intruder of their private sphere, whether it's a friend, a stranger, the public, the state, the law and so on.

In other words, the less privacy there is the less effective power both the individual as well as the entire people have.

That's why it's a basic human right.

Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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post #27

* privacy IS important * lists gmail address in footer

Guess what, your home address is in many public registers as well. It's an e-mail address, publically addressable, even guessable, not the contents of their mailbox.

Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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A better argument is "I choose to sacrifice my privacy for the convenience" which I honestly think is a fine attitude.

And by "convenience" it doesn't have to be something substantial. Sometimes, it's just that "I'm too busy with my life already so I choose to not think about the privacy implication and wish the odds are in my favor".

Re: Why privacy is important, and having "nothing to hide" is irrelevant (2016)

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post #8

Another argument I hear often is that "they have no reason to surveil boring ordinary individuals." Sure nobody might have bothered to look into your private exchanges past aggregable metadata until half a decade or so ago, but with recent advancements in LLMs it takes mere moments to summarize or search through large batches of messages.

> boring ordinary individuals

"Ah yes, we can see that boring Johnny goes to Starbucks every Tuesday at 9am, nobody will believe the crime we're about to pin on them! Thanks to 1984 Incorporated for giving us all their data about him to make it look like the perfect crime."

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