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How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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Most science fiction is just lazy writing about current pop-culture trends, or stories gleaned from other areas of fiction. It is a difficult genre to navigate for quality...

George Lucas was considered a genius for "allegedly" copying this film scene-for-scene:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Fortress

https://archive.org/details/the-hidden-fortress (1960*, Akira Kurosawa)

The original film was entertaining, and still worth a gander... unlike the poorly generated article =3

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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Funny you say that when capitalism has no morals beyond profit. Just have a look on what Boeing it's doing.

> capitalism has no morals beyond profit. Liberalism does, to the extent the goal is human flourishing. Denigrating Capitalism for not being about morals makes as much sense as denigrating a tractor for not being about morals. Capitalism is merely what is employed as a tool (in part , as we used mixed-market economy) for the economic branch of our system.

That's just trading goods for valuables. Not capitalism. Every system in the world since the Neolithic used tokens to interchange goods.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

#43
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Using science fiction to discuss politics is like using the Starship Enterprise to drive down to the corner grocery. Politics is small. Exploring the edges of reality is large.

Funny you talk about the Starship Enterprise... Star Trek is super political lol

I think it's reductive to say it's political. Trek at its best asks philosophical questions and explores the arguments. At its worst there's the "warp travel causes pollution, let's implement a speed limit" episode. Sure, you can reduce the Cardassians to being bad mid century Europeans. But you can also think of them as ruthlessly following the standards of utilitarianism. (Also bad) Saying it's just politics is lazy.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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For good or not capitalism is efficient at incentivizing people to exploit resources. It's easy to project that into guessing that at least our early forays to heavenly bodies will be propelled by that impulse. It's probably the reason that earthly new world cultures are more capitalistic than the old world's. Some ideologies promote exploration more than others. You don't have to like it to predict it.

The point of sci-fi is to lay off the most obvious and current convictions and impulses and to imagine other possibilities.

There are way too many kinds of sci-fi to sum up the genre in one convenient statement like that.

Some sci-fi seeks to lay off the most obvious and current convictions and impulses to imagine other possibilities.

Other sci-fi slightly exaggerates the flaws and assumptions of our world, and tries to logically extend them into a future in which they make even less sense, to demonstrate their absurdity.

Still other sci-fi creates a world exactly like ours except with one significant technological advance, and tries to imagine where we'd go with that.

Still other sci-fi takes what we know of how humans behave, puts them in completely unfamiliar settings, and uses those settings to explore the nature of people, rather than focusing on the technology.

And some sci-fi, arguably the most fun, if not necessarily the most educational merely starts "Wouldn't it be cool/weird/fucked up if..." and just keeps going until it runs out of steam.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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post #19

Using science fiction to discuss politics is like using the Starship Enterprise to drive down to the corner grocery. Politics is small. Exploring the edges of reality is large.

Eh, scifi has been doing politics since the beginning. Be in America, be in the Ussr, be in Europe to denounce social issues. Tarkovsky, Orwell, Bradbury, Asimov...

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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This person has been demoralized, and unknowingly wishes to inflict that fate upon everyone they come into contact with. The frenetic obsession with "capitalism" and the hopelessness of the future is simply the claw of the crab, pulling its victims back down into the bucket.

Funny you say that when capitalism has no morals beyond profit. Just have a look on what Boeing it's doing.

Boeing is a good example of capitalism working.

Go and look at their financial statements. Look at their stock over the past half decade.

It's all deep in the red. They're still alive because their past achievements are significant enough to carry them through this and they will probably still be salvaged.

Otherwise they'd be long bankrupt, freeing up immense human, physical, and financial capital to go do something else.

In other words, the system is built to allocate resources to companies based on performance - of course that doesn't mean each company always works perfectly.

Pointing to a bad company as an example of capitalism failing is like pointing to a lazy civil servant and saying we should abolish all government.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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I gave the source and positioning of this post a lot more thought than i usually do; it's a weird one.

bookofjoe harvests content and posts from many sources, he's one of the many people contributing to the inbound firehose of links and stories.

Not sure how or why this got bumped to the top ten; maybe people see "sci fi" and/or "ivory tower" and a piece of content will get engagement? TBH it reads a little like a publisher's fluff piece, or a writing assignment given to a high schooler.

Some of the commentary is enlightening - she says "Writing fiction is about telling stories and it’s about people and human interaction" This is something you learn when Shakespeare is brought out in elementary school. This is something you should learn if you pay the slightest bit of attention to the stories you read, if the authors are N. K. Jemisin, Ursula K. Le Guin and Becky Chambers, Dan Simmons, and Ray Bradbury, who she mentions in the article.

Any good author writes stories about people; the great ones tap into our expectations and take us for a ride, bringing us to unexpected insight, or opening our eyes to a new constellation of human variables. The authors she mentions are almost universally well known for insight into what makes people tick.

This seems like an aspirational fluff piece intended to market the non-fiction book and land the author an advance so she can write fiction. This isn't intended as a criticism; god knows we can all use whatever we can get. She's apparently in a position with connections that allowed her to get such an article published about her; maybe one of her friends is a publisher or editor, or author? Whatever it is, she hasn't written her fiction book yet, so maybe she needs a breakout of some sort.

This is one of the weirdest pieces of content I've seen land on the front page, almost like a personal blog leak or something. I hope she gets a huge boost and gets to chase her dream.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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post #42

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> capitalism has no morals beyond profit. Liberalism does, to the extent the goal is human flourishing. Denigrating Capitalism for not being about morals makes as much sense as denigrating a tractor for not being about morals. Capitalism is merely what is employed as a tool (in part , as we used mixed-market economy) for the economic branch of our system.

That's just trading goods for valuables. Not capitalism. Every system in the world since the Neolithic used tokens to interchange goods.

"That", i.e. the economic branch of Liberalism, is Capitalist, which is a combination of the right to private profit and property + market economy.

> Every system in the world since the Neolithic used tokens to interchange goods.

They used a bartering system. Price signaling came later. Coinage was technically existent rather early but did not see widespread use.

Systems devoid of price-signaling a) don't scale, b) are irredeemably terrible.

I guess you agree that it ought to have nothing to do with morality because this appears to be a non-sequitur.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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The point is whatever we want it to be. Pulp adventurism and space exploits was as popular as anything else. Even the ideological books are not necessarily tantamount to "space communism" (see: Neal Stephenson).

Neal Stephenson depicted anti-state turbocapitalism as Mafia corpostates in "Snow Crash". Which is what actually would happen if no one regulated business.

Good thing we have regulation.

I actually had Seveneves and Termination Shock in mind, as more "optimistic" novels.

Re: How I swapped my ivory tower for the world of science fiction

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Funny you talk about the Starship Enterprise... Star Trek is super political lol

I think it's reductive to say it's political. Trek at its best asks philosophical questions and explores the arguments. At its worst there's the "warp travel causes pollution, let's implement a speed limit" episode. Sure, you can reduce the Cardassians to being bad mid century Europeans. But you can also think of them as ruthlessly following the standards of utilitarianism. (Also bad) Saying it's just politics is laz…

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