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Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

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Post by littlestymaar »

troydavis wrote: post #10
_cart wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is _not_ a repost from our perspective. This is a massive new chunk of features and content (993 pull requests from 256 contributors) including new hot-topic features like Virtual Geometry.

Please reread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9775868 . It says one year since it received significant attention, not one year except when a massive chunk of features and content is added. Dan explicitly addresses that case (“but that only applies after the "significant attention" test has been passed”).

Please reread it yourself: this isn't a “show HN” submission.

The relevant comment is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428

And as you can see, the criteria is “Whether or not it contains significant new information (SNI)” which is indeed exactly the opposite of what you are saying.

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

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Post by pvg »

littlestymaar wrote: post #40
pvg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is a new version announcement a dupe? Lengthy explainer here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428

According to this, the submission is fine: it's a major version announcement, unlike the examples given in the post, with significant changes, which rule out the “the diff between Foo 1.3.3 and the last time Foo came out is not enough to support an interestingly different discussion”

'Major' to the developers and users but the focus is on the total HN audience to whom it's neither major nor minor, it's simply another Bevy release post and there have been several of these very recently. It's a pretty straightforward release dupe, all sorts of seemingly 'major' releases from huge projects get categorized and moderated like that all the time. E.g.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

The brief frontpage life of a couple of the highly upvoted ones:

https://hnrankings.info/37701860/

https://hnrankings.info/37889790/

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

#43

Post by Narishma »

pvg wrote: post #18
_cart wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is _not_ a repost from our perspective. This is a massive new chunk of features and content (993 pull requests from 256 contributors) including new hot-topic features like Virtual Geometry.

The GP comment is a bit overstated (I doubt anyone is going to ban Bevy posts) but Bevy has had plenty of recent exposure on HN and most release posts are moderated away on HN because the discussion is almost always about the project in general rather than the release, unless the changes are truly monumental. A long modsplanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428 Recent big Bevy articles: https://ne…

I'd rather have a few bevy posts every month than the daily deluge of AI articles.

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

#44

Post by pvg »

Narishma wrote: post #43
pvg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP comment is a bit overstated (I doubt anyone is going to ban Bevy posts) but Bevy has had plenty of recent exposure on HN and most release posts are moderated away on HN because the discussion is almost always about the project in general rather than the release, unless the changes are truly monumental. A long modsplanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23071428 Recent big Bevy articles: https://ne…

I'd rather have a few bevy posts every month than the daily deluge of AI articles.

Sure but I can't see how such a trade is either possible or on offer - it's one of the things discussed in the modsplanation blob.

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

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Post by littlestymaar »

pvg wrote: post #42
littlestymaar wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to this, the submission is fine: it's a major version announcement, unlike the examples given in the post, with significant changes, which rule out the “the diff between Foo 1.3.3 and the last time Foo came out is not enough to support an interestingly different discussion”

'Major' to the developers and users but the focus is on the total HN audience to whom it's neither major nor minor, it's simply another Bevy release post and there have been several of these very recently. It's a pretty straightforward release dupe, all sorts of seemingly 'major' releases from huge projects get categorized and moderated like that all the time. E.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&pr…

Then why are you linking to a post where dang spends lots of tome explaining how the criteria is “Whether or not it contains significant new information (SNI)” if you believe this criteria isn't relevant?

Because there's absolutely zero doubt that this release matches this criteria.

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

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Post by victorbjorklund »

alice-i-cecile wrote: post #36
victorbjorklund wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably been answered already (feel free to point me there) but how does Bevy compare with Godot (other than one might prefer Rust)? What type of game/situations would Bevy be much more performant where it matters?

Bevy makes it much easier to write reasonably fast, easily maintained, refactorable code. It's great for situations where you have a lot of complex logic, want to do something particularly weird, or require a lot of non-rendering performance (Unreal still crushes us on rendering performance due to several decades and billions of dollars of investment). Factory builder and simulation games are the classic example of "…

That makes sense. So Bevy would be a good choice is you want to example build a Hearts of Iron clone where rendering (i guess) isnt the heavy part but instead simulationg alot of events and complex AI actions. Thanks!

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

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Post by pvg »

littlestymaar wrote: post #45
pvg wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Major' to the developers and users but the focus is on the total HN audience to whom it's neither major nor minor, it's simply another Bevy release post and there have been several of these very recently. It's a pretty straightforward release dupe, all sorts of seemingly 'major' releases from huge projects get categorized and moderated like that all the time. E.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&pr…

Then why are you linking to a post where dang spends lots of tome explaining how the criteria is “Whether or not it contains significant new information (SNI)” if you believe this criteria isn't relevant? Because there's absolutely zero doubt that this release matches this criteria.

I didn't say anything of the sort so I don't understand the question. The post looks like a completely routine release dupe to me and you can check that yourself by searching for your favourite projects with the search box at the bottom of the page. Both of the things you pasted say exactly the opposite of what you're implying, when read in their context

Here's "SNI":

That's one reason I'm using a silly acronym: SNI! — to convey that it's a specialized use of those words. When we say things like "this is not significant new information, so we're treating this post as a dupe", or even the gentlest, most watered-down and tiptoey version of that language, there are always people who feel aggrieved on the project's behalf, as if we're putting it down or belittling the hard work of its devs. This explanation is for those readers.

It's a made up term because it's a weird, made-up local meaning, it doesn't mean 'someone who uses the project might think it's significant'. So that's why I'm linking it, because it matches this submission very well.

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

#48

Post by littlestymaar »

pvg wrote: post #47
littlestymaar wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why are you linking to a post where dang spends lots of tome explaining how the criteria is “Whether or not it contains significant new information (SNI)” if you believe this criteria isn't relevant? Because there's absolutely zero doubt that this release matches this criteria.

I didn't say anything of the sort so I don't understand the question. The post looks like a completely routine release dupe to me and you can check that yourself by searching for your favourite projects with the search box at the bottom of the page. Both of the things you pasted say exactly the opposite of what you're implying, when read in their context Here's "SNI": That's one reason I'm using a silly acronym: SNI!…

> The post looks like a completely routine release dupe to me

It may looks like dupe to you, but it definitely doesn't fit the description of dupe given in the comment you linked to.

> It's a made up term because it's a weird, made-up local meaning, it doesn't mean 'someone who uses the project might think it's significant'.

Please re-read the comment you linked to, because it indeed defines what constitute SNI in a pretty clear fashion, and by this definition the aforementioned post definitely contains SNI.

Or maybe you didn't even both reading the actual post you are commenting, and because of that you fail to see how a “Bevy 0.14” post could contain SNI.

Now that I'm thinking about it, it's the most likely answer because I don't see how someone who's read the post could claim in good faith that it doesn't fit the description of SNI. Even just the implementation of Unreal Nanite in Bevy by itself is well beyond this bar, and it's only a fraction of the diff that the post is talking about.

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

#49

Post by johnnyanmac »

pvg wrote: post #44
Narishma wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather have a few bevy posts every month than the daily deluge of AI articles.

Sure but I can't see how such a trade is either possible or on offer - it's one of the things discussed in the modsplanation blob.

The issue is that that refers to "Show HN" posts. If some engaged dev posts your updates, how is thst different from spamming every Opeani update? That's just organic interest, given that this is the one of the most well known Rust game engines, a mix of two topics that traditionally get attention here

Re: Bevy 0.14 – Data driven game engine

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Post by johnnyanmac »

troydavis wrote: post #16
tbillington wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to qualify as a new Show HN there needs to be some major new development, not just a new feature One could argue a major version qualifies. Apart from the genuine dupe 3 months ago all of these are separate stories. dang's comment also specifically covers "show hn" posts which this is not. Some clarification from dang would be helpful though.

Your quote omits the portion where Dan explicitly addressed that case. It needs to be one year since it received “significant attention,” and also major new development. Dan’s post could be worded more clearly, though. (We’re pretty far in the weeds here, but as long as we’re here – for all intents and purposes, this is a show HN.)

>for all intents and purposes, this is a show HN

I don't really see how. Is it a Show HN because Bevy isn't a trillion dollar corporation making the news every other day?

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