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Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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And how long has it been since the last US backed coup in Bolivia?

Silence reigns on the US-backed coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia (2020): https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/silenc...

I'm repeating myself here, but this 2019 thing is a "coup" in which:

* The ousted President had just claimed a victory in an unprecedented and unconstitutional 4th term election, after a judicial decision overruled both the constitution and the results of a failed referendum to amend the constitution to allow Morales to remain in power.

* The claimed victory in that election was widely deemed fraudulent, including by OAS (if you care what OAS thinks).

* Morales fled the country along with much of the constitutional line of succession, leaving the 2nd Vice President of the Senate to assume the presidency in the standard line of succession.

* That new president, unapologetic right-winger Jeanine Anez, promised prompt new elections and then delivered them less than a year later --- despite COVID.

* Those elections restored MAS, the Morales party, to power, and the transfer of power occurred peacefully.

* The new MAS government immediately had Jeanine Anez arrested for the "coup" in 2019, and has imprisoned her ever since, in an action that has been pretty much universally condemned by the industrialized world.

Arce has abused his power, Anez has abused her power, Morales certainly abused his power, none of this is appears new, there are people on HN that are far more authoritative about Bolivian politics than I am, the US with respect to South America sucks ass, but I doubt very much that there is any simple story to tell about what's happening here.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

#42
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how long has it been since the last US backed coup in Bolivia?

Silence reigns on the US-backed coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia (2020): https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/silenc...

There's a very common motte and bailey on this topic, motte = US supported coups materially, bailey = at some point the last decade, US diplomat went on the record with anodyne statement of support for winner of internal struggle.

It's insidious because it equates supporting a winner with interfering.

Morales is a poor example given the, uh, extrajudicial circumstances.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

#43
post #4

I wouldn't be surprised if a large part of the population support the coup. South America has a history of military dictatorship but after the pendulum swings enough to the other side people seem to lose their memory a bit.

I wouldn't be surprised either, seeing as Arce has gone off-script as if he's been bought and paid for. He wasn't really elected himself, he was elected as a proxy for Morales who had been overthrown and exiled by a coup. He's followed that up with a complete break with Morales. What wouldn't surprise me even more is if this coup were staged to allow Arce the excuse to put the country into martial law before being vo…

How exactly did Arce go off script?

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

#44

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because it's probably backed by the US edit: this was supposed to be a reply

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I think you require proof of culpability, not the other way around. This is like being asked to prove you’re not guilty.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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post #29

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Arce is the formal head of MAS, which is Morales' party. MAS won a fair election in 2020 after the "coup" in which Jeanine Anez assumed power after Morales fled the country along with the constitutional line of succession after widespread violent protests following an unprecedented 4th term election (which in turn followed his unprecedented 3rd term election, which in turn followed his unprecedented 2nd term election…

> if you care what OAS says, officially deemed fraudulent. I do not care. Later studies contradicted and criticized OAS conclusion. OAS was a player in the 2019 coup: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/26/bolivia-d... https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3621475 > Anez, an unapologetic right-winger appointed by standard constitutional succession rules, What rules? She was not Evo Morales s…

Anez was another in a long line of Bolivian heads of state that terribly abused their power. If you're trying to position me to defend the right-wing elite of any country in South America, you're barking up the wrong tree. But Anez assumed the role of interim president after a constitutional crisis, promised prompt elections, and peacefully transferred power back to Morales party, which then immediately had her imprisoned.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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Most of them funded by the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Democracy doesn't work in a US-dominant world. My country is nowhere near Africa yet there have been 7 coup attemps, 4 successful, most backed by US in her 100 year history[2]. The last one didn't succeed and the US is currently protecting the leader of the attempt, refusing to give him us back. Arab leaders are likewise domestically widely regarded as sockpuppets of the USA. On the rare occasion a democratic electio…

im noticing lately that comments critical of America is routinely downvoted here. All of what you wrote holds true.

Re: Coup Attempt in Bolivia

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because it's probably backed by the US edit: this was supposed to be a reply

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Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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