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Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by shepherdjerred »

chrisldgk wrote: post #8
betaby wrote: post #3

Podman Destop is surprisingly bad on MacOS. It has a kind of proxy-like/userspace network driver. That means your tcp connection shown in a host system through `netstat`. ICPM is not implemented and always returns success. Try running `ping 66.0.0.0` or any other non-existing IP from the container and see. At that moment I'll continue using, well, podman in a Linux VM running UTM.

If you haven’t tried it yet, I can recommend OrbStack[1] for container things on macOS. I don’t use it for anything more than spinning up dev DBs locally, but I know it supports Kubernetes in some form or another. [1] https://orbstack.dev

I'm a very happy, paying OrbStack user. The UI is much more responsive that Docker Desktop. It also has a very unique debug shell [0] feature that allows you access to common tools even in minimal images.

[0]: https://docs.orbstack.dev/features/debug

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by shepherdjerred »

wiseowise wrote: post #22
chrisldgk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you haven’t tried it yet, I can recommend OrbStack[1] for container things on macOS. I don’t use it for anything more than spinning up dev DBs locally, but I know it supports Kubernetes in some form or another. [1] https://orbstack.dev

https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#open-source Into the trash it goes.

Are you not concerned about the closed-source OS that this closed-source app is running on?

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by switchbak »

lmz wrote: post #29
wiseowise wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#open-source Into the trash it goes.

Along with the OS it runs on? Or is it just App developers that you don't allow to make money?

With a number of open-core projects pulling the rug from under us recently: Terraform, Akka, etc. I'm with the parent - there's no way I'm building on a shaky foundation if you're just going to fuck me over.

And yes, I understand this is their choice, they need to make money, etc. But the real issue here is they're presenting their stuff as suitable to build your company on, then once you're reliant on them they start charging (big) money.

Just start out charging money and make it good enough to justify that, enough with the bait and switch.

Apple has an upfront revenue model, and I'm happy to pay for that (when I do). So does Datadog, so does Amazon. But don't pretend to live in the OSS world then want to also be a SaaS when you've achieved escape velocity. They're "succeeding" by destroying the relationship with the people that gave them that success.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by wiseowise »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #42
wiseowise wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#open-source Into the trash it goes.

Are you not concerned about the closed-source OS that this closed-source app is running on?

One step at a time.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by wiseowise »

lmz wrote: post #29
wiseowise wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#open-source Into the trash it goes.

Along with the OS it runs on? Or is it just App developers that you don't allow to make money?

Where did I say they shouldn’t make money?

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by phone8675309 »

lmz wrote: post #40
phone8675309 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How pure does someone need to be before you leave them alone?

There's an obvious answer if they want an open source container experience that works great (at least the container part, not the desktop part): run it on Linux. To slam a Mac only product that by most accounts runs well, and quite a bit better than its competitors, just because it's not Open Source is disgusting.

I wish I had as few problems in my life as you because I would never consider saying "I'm not using this because it's not open source" to be "slamming" or "disgusting".

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by lmz »

phone8675309 wrote: post #46
lmz wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an obvious answer if they want an open source container experience that works great (at least the container part, not the desktop part): run it on Linux. To slam a Mac only product that by most accounts runs well, and quite a bit better than its competitors, just because it's not Open Source is disgusting.

I wish I had as few problems in my life as you because I would never consider saying "I'm not using this because it's not open source" to be "slamming" or "disgusting".

The quote was to be exact: "Into the trash it goes". A cheap dismissal for arguably nonsensical reasons given that it's closed software specifically for a closed OS.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by throwaway74354 »

dymk wrote: post #25
WD-42 wrote: post #14

For basic dev container stuff, I switched to podman and I'll not go back to Docker. It works great and it being daemonless is just a cherry on top.

I want to love it, but it's surprisingly difficult to set up a recent version on Debian / Ubuntu. As far as I can tell, even the latest stable Debian / Ubuntu have Podman 3.x in their apt package repositories, which is missing a bunch of features (latest is 5.x).

It's 4.9.3 for Ubuntu 24.04. Close enough, but it won't be updated in the forseeable future, so the gap will grow.

There are https://build.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:kubic:libconta... repos, but it's what it says on the tin: unstable. And its usage is discouraged from the upstream bug reporting point of view. Works fine to keep up with development, but I wouldn't use that for user-facing workloads.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by rhatdan »

mrweasel wrote: post #39
betaby wrote: post #3

Podman Destop is surprisingly bad on MacOS. It has a kind of proxy-like/userspace network driver. That means your tcp connection shown in a host system through `netstat`. ICPM is not implemented and always returns success. Try running `ping 66.0.0.0` or any other non-existing IP from the container and see. At that moment I'll continue using, well, podman in a Linux VM running UTM.

I would go so far at saying that Podman Desktop for macOS is non-functional. My understanding is that Podman Desktop will spin up some sort of Linux VM to do all the actual containerization, and the network/proxy is just a mess. For all I know Docker Desktop does the same, but if it does it's better at hiding it. Docker Desktop also works perfectly well with AMD64 emulation and/or Rosetta.

Linux containers require a Linux kernel. Any tool on a MAC that is running containers locally is doing it in a VM.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by rhatdan »

yeldarb wrote: post #28

Anyone know if there’s a way to get access to devices in a container on MacOS yet? (Eg USB webcam, MPS or CUDA accelerator)

Look for krunkit for GPU/Cuda Accelerator. Should be much better support in podman 5.2 out next month, I believe.

You can use it now if you grab it from brew.

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