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Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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The DSM-5 was released in 2013. Could that have anything to do with the bump in depression diagnoses?

https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-and-diagnosis-of-depreasi...

As for the assertions about "governability," that seems to be more about the government reaching consensus. I think PACs play a bigger role there than social media, but I try to follow the money.

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As someone who's not neurotypical and grew up in the 1990s I don't think we really did much for mental illness or have much of understanding of it until the past 15 or so years. Growing up the school system regarded people are disabled, learning disabled, lazy, normal, or gifted. There was no one checking kids out for social-anxiety, bipolar disorder, depression, etc. unless there was an extremely serious problem with their behavior.

Within the past 40 years they used to lock people like me up, give us lobotomies, forcibly medicate us, etc. Its easy to forget how society used to treat folks with mental illness. Its frankly no wonder that people to this day still hide it. Heck, I've had to contact the EEOC more than once. But the thing is, social-media didn't cause this, video games didn't cause this. I've always been genetically predisposed to this. In my opinion, unfettered access to the Internet in general is probably the worst environment for people with predispositions, but to simply blame everything on the environment we've create online through video games or social-media is wrong if not irresponsible.

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My opinion is that it’s just partisan gerrymandering creating safe districts is pushing our politics towards the extremes as both parties run far left and far right candidates in their safe district primary. It gives us candidates out of touch with the overall electorate and unable to compromise.

Partisan gerrymandering doesn’t affect senate or presidential elections (with the small exception of Nebraska and Maine’s electors) yet those elections have also become more partisan and polarized. Moreover, the growing rural/urban partisan polarization means even non gerrymandered districts that are created by nonpartisan panels or algorithms are frequently left or right polarized. Creating competitive districts wou…

You say that like US states didn't have boundaries cut or decisions on when states were admitted to affect elections. For example:

Missouri Compromise, Kansas Nebraska Act, Nevada, Utah, and the Dakotas' existence, Washington DC not having representation, Puerto Rico languishing

Coincidentally it seems like the rural United States has disproportionate representation and power. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the Republican party not winning popular votes in presidential elections for all but one election in over 30 years

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My opinion is that it’s just partisan gerrymandering creating safe districts is pushing our politics towards the extremes as both parties run far left and far right candidates in their safe district primary. It gives us candidates out of touch with the overall electorate and unable to compromise.

Partisan gerrymandering doesn’t affect senate or presidential elections (with the small exception of Nebraska and Maine’s electors) yet those elections have also become more partisan and polarized. Moreover, the growing rural/urban partisan polarization means even non gerrymandered districts that are created by nonpartisan panels or algorithms are frequently left or right polarized. Creating competitive districts wou…

Biden was the most centrist of the Democratic candidates, and is considered center right by many. It's hard to argue that presidential elections have become more partisan and polarized.

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It may be an unpopular opinion, but I suspect treating juveniles with kid gloves all the time and the popularization of the view that they are entitled not be exposed to anything that may upset or offend them has lead to less personal resilience. The social media environment does also mean that when subjected to bullying it is amplified by a massive factor that previous generations were not exposed to, so the change…

Yeah I think this is definitely a part of it. The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today. What's changed is that the expectation of "dealing with it" has evaporated.

"Dealing with it" often just meant becoming an alcoholic, or a woman/child abuser, or other unhealthy outlets for your depression.

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The 2015+ timeline definitely tracks with my wife's anecdotal experience. She's been working in pediatrics (exclusively at Children's Hospitals) since 2003 and the amount of kids she sees with self harm or suicide attempts has grown so much in the recent years.

This is purely anecdotal, but looking at my experiences in late-primary to middle school from 2008-2012 so, the exposure to the internet from early on can be pretty bad.

8 year olds swearing left and right, talking about porn and pedos or making all sorts of unpleasant statements that you seen on 4chan can have a pretty debilitating effect on a child's development, especially before puberty has even begun. A kind of "innocence lost", a cruel and cynical culture that can envelope those who weren't exposed to it early on. Metasize that 10 years later and in 2015 or so we see the side effects of it. Now of course that might be just my school then, but it's still something I would consider today. There are certain heuristics regarding the changes in mass appeal of certain genres that I would correlate to deep, fundamental cynicism in the mainstream zeitgeist.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think this is definitely a part of it. The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today. What's changed is that the expectation of "dealing with it" has evaporated.

"Dealing with it" often just meant becoming an alcoholic, or a woman/child abuser, or other unhealthy outlets for your depression.

Definitely used to be more common, but it wasn’t as if everyone was one of those things. My point was more that people were a bit tougher then, as they had more difficult everyday lives.

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The 2015+ timeline definitely tracks with my wife's anecdotal experience. She's been working in pediatrics (exclusively at Children's Hospitals) since 2003 and the amount of kids she sees with self harm or suicide attempts has grown so much in the recent years.

This is purely anecdotal, but looking at my experiences in late-primary to middle school from 2008-2012 so, the exposure to the internet from early on can be pretty bad. 8 year olds swearing left and right, talking about porn and pedos or making all sorts of unpleasant statements that you seen on 4chan can have a pretty debilitating effect on a child's development, especially before puberty has even begun. A kind of…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisan gerrymandering doesn’t affect senate or presidential elections (with the small exception of Nebraska and Maine’s electors) yet those elections have also become more partisan and polarized. Moreover, the growing rural/urban partisan polarization means even non gerrymandered districts that are created by nonpartisan panels or algorithms are frequently left or right polarized. Creating competitive districts wou…

You say that like US states didn't have boundaries cut or decisions on when states were admitted to affect elections. For example: Missouri Compromise, Kansas Nebraska Act, Nevada, Utah, and the Dakotas' existence, Washington DC not having representation, Puerto Rico languishing Coincidentally it seems like the rural United States has disproportionate representation and power. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the…

State boundaries date to 70 years old or more. The original “gerrymandering” of those boundaries is incredibly out of date. DC was given electoral votes most recently in 1961 with the expectation that it would be a “swing state” evenly split between parties, for instance.

Many solid “red” rural states today frequently elected statewide democrats just a few decades ago.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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post #4

The 2015+ timeline definitely tracks with my wife's anecdotal experience. She's been working in pediatrics (exclusively at Children's Hospitals) since 2003 and the amount of kids she sees with self harm or suicide attempts has grown so much in the recent years.

This is purely anecdotal, but looking at my experiences in late-primary to middle school from 2008-2012 so, the exposure to the internet from early on can be pretty bad. 8 year olds swearing left and right, talking about porn and pedos or making all sorts of unpleasant statements that you seen on 4chan can have a pretty debilitating effect on a child's development, especially before puberty has even begun. A kind of…

I was born in the 80s and said all that same dumb crap as a kid too. I learned it from music.
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