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New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]

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Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]

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Post by CRConrad »

nicce wrote: post #21
Sephr wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you 'opt out', service providers can prevent you from sending anything under these new rules. You might not even be able to reach out to support to complain without consenting to your messages being scanned.

So what is the difference of opt-in and opt-out here? In both cases, they identify and scan something. Not sure, if there is out at all.

> In both cases, they identify and scan something

No, as I understood the GP comment, if you opt out there won't be anything for them to identify and scan, because you can't send anything.

> Not sure, if there is out at all.

Sure there is: You can opt out from being on the Internet.

Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]

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Post by nicce »

CRConrad wrote: post #41
nicce wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is the difference of opt-in and opt-out here? In both cases, they identify and scan something. Not sure, if there is out at all.

> In both cases, they identify and scan something No, as I understood the GP comment, if you opt out there won't be anything for them to identify and scan, because you can't send anything. > Not sure, if there is out at all. Sure there is: You can opt out from being on the Internet.

> because you can't send anything.

I would argue that comment implies that something might be alllowed, but not everything. There is potential to restrict any kind of data. To identify that you are sending something restricted, they need to scan.

> Sure there is: You can opt out from being on the Internet.

Not going to argue with that. But yeah, you can't crash the car if you don't drive it. If you never live, you can't die.

Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]

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Post by CRConrad »

nicce wrote: post #42
CRConrad wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In both cases, they identify and scan something No, as I understood the GP comment, if you opt out there won't be anything for them to identify and scan, because you can't send anything. > Not sure, if there is out at all. Sure there is: You can opt out from being on the Internet.

> because you can't send anything. I would argue that comment implies that something might be alllowed, but not everything. There is potential to restrict any kind of data. To identify that you are sending something restricted, they need to scan. > Sure there is: You can opt out from being on the Internet. Not going to argue with that. But yeah, you can't crash the car if you don't drive it. If you never live, you ca…

> I would argue that comment implies that something might be alllowed, but not everything.

I read it as at least "they permanently remove your ability to send" (or possibly even "they shut down your account").

Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]

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Post by fasa99 »

squigz wrote: post #35
Centigonal wrote: post #4

I just want to express how much I appreciate Meredith Whittaker. She helped organize the Google walkouts, She's been working on AI safety since at least 2016, She advised Lina Khan at the FTC, and new she's out here advocating for preserving E2EE. A lot of people online give her flak for her opinions, but she's been consistently very loud and occasionally influential. She's done some cool uncontroversial tech work to…

Isn't RMS the closest thing we have to an RMS-type figure?

I agree with you in principle, but RMS, he got other things on his mind right now I'm guessing i.e. https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/29/richard_stallman_canc...
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