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Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by tim333 »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #35
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need propaganda to tell people invading another country is wrong.

No but you need propaganda to push NATO borders on Russia, arm a coup, start a civil unrest, fund a war, destroy a peace treaty (Turkey 2022) and then drip feed arms to destroy two countries at same time. Even in a thread about sick US propaganda, the apologists find an excuse for war.

That sounds a bit like Russian propaganda you know. Like Russia sending the tanks to kill Ukrainians and take their land is all the fault of the horrible people pushing peace and democracy.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by tim333 »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #29
zeagle wrote: post #2

Shame and fucked up, although everyone is doing it. The Canadian government is currently having a big kerfuffle about foreign influence (1) and seems like the USA conveniently blames all domestic political strife on such interference. The obvious ethics of this aside, it's a good reminder that anything geopolitical is an active propaganda war these days. I notice it less on HN but honestly can't even read Reddit anym…

Reddit employed NATO employees at high level position. Almost all of the main subreddits are active propaganda channels. I am constantly bewildered at the amount of Zelensky/NATO photos on innocuous subreddits like damnthatsinteresting or pics. https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/wdrirf/reddit_is... It's outright depressing even casually scrolling through reddit these days with blatant ads and propaganda smot…

Depends on the subreddit though.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by tim333 »

akira2501 wrote: post #20

> The U.S. military is prohibited from targeting Americans with propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence the Pentagon’s influence operation did so. The US military should be banned from using propaganda in any form. We're not in a war. There's no justifiable reason to spend US tax payer dollars to actively lie to the rest of the world. What a shameful and tawdry use of our institutions.

Not that I agree with the vaccine stuff, but the US are in something of a information war with the Russians and Chinese.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by tim333 »

rgreekguy wrote: post #28

Only three-four years lifetime for a conspiracy theory?! They don't make them like they used to...

Oh - not sure it's over yet! Check back in 20 years.

I mean Andrew Wakefield was struck of for fraud in 1988 and still his stuff about vaccines causing autism lives on

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #35
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need propaganda to tell people invading another country is wrong.

No but you need propaganda to push NATO borders on Russia, arm a coup, start a civil unrest, fund a war, destroy a peace treaty (Turkey 2022) and then drip feed arms to destroy two countries at same time. Even in a thread about sick US propaganda, the apologists find an excuse for war.

This reads legitimately as Russian propaganda. Is this satire?

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by mopsi »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #35
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need propaganda to tell people invading another country is wrong.

No but you need propaganda to push NATO borders on Russia, arm a coup, start a civil unrest, fund a war, destroy a peace treaty (Turkey 2022) and then drip feed arms to destroy two countries at same time. Even in a thread about sick US propaganda, the apologists find an excuse for war.

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Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by mypastself »

nashashmi wrote: post #40
mypastself wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article, the China vaccines are not as effective: > Although the Chinese vaccines were found to be less effective than the American-led shots by Pfizer and Moderna, all were approved by the World Health Organization. Is this a false statement?

We will have to wait for another leak to verify that.

So part of what you’re angry about is not based on known facts. If the leak never comes, will you retract your comment?

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by nashashmi »

mypastself wrote: post #47
nashashmi wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will have to wait for another leak to verify that.

So part of what you’re angry about is not based on known facts. If the leak never comes, will you retract your comment?

At this point, a US department was intentionally spreading false information to hurt the economic success of an adversary. Any effect this has on the decision-making of foreign govts is going to be directly attributed to this mission.

Unless can be proven otherwise. But how can that be proven?

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by mypastself »

nashashmi wrote: post #48
mypastself wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So part of what you’re angry about is not based on known facts. If the leak never comes, will you retract your comment?

At this point, a US department was intentionally spreading false information to hurt the economic success of an adversary. Any effect this has on the decision-making of foreign govts is going to be directly attributed to this mission. Unless can be proven otherwise. But how can that be proven?

To my knowledge, organizations like the WHO and countries like Brazil reported weaker effectiveness of the Chinese jabs compared to the likes of Pfizer. I’m not familiar with even China claiming otherwise these past few years. Are you saying the CCP fell for the anti-CCP propaganda?

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #35
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need propaganda to tell people invading another country is wrong.

No but you need propaganda to push NATO borders on Russia, arm a coup, start a civil unrest, fund a war, destroy a peace treaty (Turkey 2022) and then drip feed arms to destroy two countries at same time. Even in a thread about sick US propaganda, the apologists find an excuse for war.

I'm not a fan of either side. I really really don't like how America is overlooking the literal Nazis in Ukraine they are funding while pretending that various legitimate political positions on US social policies are equivalent to "Nazism".

But I also don't think any of these things justify invading Ukraine. "Pushing NATO borders on Russia"? Why does that justify invading Ukraine? If every country next to Russia joined NATO, that still wouldn't justify it.

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