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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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And never will (probably), Apple has been clear for years about market segmentation.

It's about control. If they would allow virtualization then some people would use that to run software Apple can't control, especially not monetize.

Shouldn't people be able to run whatever software they like on a device they've purchased?

Anything less isn't full ownership.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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I'm not a super-advanced user, so could somebody please let me know if this will allow running Windows on an ARM based Macs? Or perhaps running a VM with macOS Big Sur on macOS 15 ( I'm looking to install a specific version of an app via App Store - a version that is limited to macOS Big Sur )? Thanks in advance!

You can already run Windows on Macs, just look at UTM or Parallels. You can also already run Big Sur on macOS 14. Edit: Should've added that you can only run Windows ARM. Emulating x86 on ARM (= running "normal" Windows on macOS M-processors) may be possible (I'm not sure), but practically not usable as it will be painfully slow. That will probably not change in the near future. However Windows ARM contains a Rosetta…

> Emulating x86 on ARM (= running "normal" Windows on macOS M-processors) may be possible (I'm not sure), but practically not usable as it will be painfully slow.

I tried the UTM qemu based solution for x86 windows. It's there and it ... starts. But yes, it's way way too slow for daily use. If you just have an occasional task like document conversion once in a while, i guess you could.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

>With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats. What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and hav…

well if you want to go all conspiracy theory, the media wants clicks because that gets them ad revenue, and so are making it seem like the right is winning because it gets you to click on the article which then, after you've scrolled past a bunch of ads, tells you they didn't actually win that many seats.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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And ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization

At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

Considering the latest EU elections I wouldn’t bet on them

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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It is no different than Windows Home, Professional, Workstation, Enterprise, Nano, Server,....

No, it is VERY different from Windows Home/Pro. Windows doesn't bar you from running custom code. Windows Home does not ship Hyper-V, but it allows you to run your own hypervisors just fine.

It's not about running arbitrary code, though; it's that you're specifically trying to use the exact thing that the cheaper edition has removed from it to create market segmentation.

In the case of Windows Home, that's components like Hyper-V. (Imagine taking Windows Home and injecting Hyper-V from a pirated copy of Windows Pro.)

In the case of iPadOS, that's all the components that macOS has that iPadOS doesn't.

The way to "add" those components to iPadOS is different, but the effect would still be the same: having a computer that works like it has the better edition installed, without paying for the better edition.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

iPad+Linux could be a single-function "embedded" device.

  web browser 
  IoT control panel
  video conferencing
  photo frame
  e-reader
  kiosk

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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eWaste? What are you talking about? iPads have typically gotten 7-9 years of software updates. Its not intended to be like a direct laptop replacement. Sure you can do laptop like things but that is not what the iPad is. Even then, most laptops don't even get that kind of support. Calling the iPad "eWaste World Champion" reeks of ignorance about what the device is about. Instead it really is a unique device with uniq…

> 7-9 years of software updates After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. > unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote Mark Gurman, Bloomberg journalist covering Apple for years, https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876 ? Apple needs to put 25% of the vigor into iPadOS that it just put into Apple Intelligence because this is getting ridiculous. The iPad Pro gets incredible new hardwa…

>After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste.

There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration?

>iPadOS 18 did get a calculator.

This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Asahi Linux supports nested virtualization on Apple Silicon M2, where the feature is present in the chip, but not exposed by macOS.

I was shopping for a phone some time ago. iP14 Pro had always-on display while non-Pro version didnt. Apple justified it by non-Pro having lcd, while Pro having Oled.

Next year iP15, both non-Pro and Pro have Oled, but again only Pro has always-on display.

Honestly that is the reason I am still on my Note9, and looking for another Android.

I understand what product segmentation is, and probably I am minority, but damn, it feels like subscription-based heated seats.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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It's about control. If they would allow virtualization then some people would use that to run software Apple can't control, especially not monetize.

It is no different than Windows Home, Professional, Workstation, Enterprise, Nano, Server,....

Might be better to compare it to the Xbox or PlayStation.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

Linux became a thing because computing devices were available for development. I guess if enough Ipad hardware is available without too much black magic, there could be a stack viable based on linux or some other OS (possibly not yet created)
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