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Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by MBCook »

cageface wrote: post #26
MBCook wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Documentation is barely existent Depends on the thing. And there is a large community with examples online, which helps. > you can’t really reuse your code in any other context Not everyone cares. If I’m only targeting an iOS app the fact the code doesn’t run on Android or Windows isn’t a problem for me. > you have to pay them money to even release your software On Apple’s App Store, sure. Or if you want your stuff…

Shipping unsigned stuff is not commercially viable. Very few users even know how to get around gatekeeper and even fewer are willing to do it to run your app.

I agree. But if you’re not developing commercially maybe that doesn’t matter to you.

If it does it’s $100 bucks a year, no matter how many things you develop and how many users you have. That doesn’t seem too bad to me.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by jen20 »

frizlab wrote: post #35
songbird23 wrote: post #10

hope this works out! i really wanna work with swift outside xcode, i want it in vim

There is an article pending in the swift website PRs on how to setup Swift for vim.

Looks to be live now: https://www.swift.org/documentation/articles/zero-to-swift-n...

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by jen20 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #12
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #2

I really wish this now makes Swift worthwhile outside of the Apple ecosystem. A bit like Go.

Why would that make it more worthwhile? What are the compelling reasons to use Swift instead of Go?

Sum types is sufficient reason alone.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

#45

Post by talldayo »

MBCook wrote: post #41
cageface wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shipping unsigned stuff is not commercially viable. Very few users even know how to get around gatekeeper and even fewer are willing to do it to run your app.

I agree. But if you’re not developing commercially maybe that doesn’t matter to you. If it does it’s $100 bucks a year, no matter how many things you develop and how many users you have. That doesn’t seem too bad to me.

> That doesn’t seem too bad to me.

Avid denialists like you make me glad antitrust works. It is in fact "bad" to create an artificial pipeline of demand and then manipulate the pressure by excluding profitable competition. You might argue you're entitled to that pipeline if you own it, but that doesn't protect you if you use it for anticompetitive purposes. Microsoft found this out a while ago, when they were threatened with a breakup if they further abused their monopoly position.

Apple spent 10 long years refusing to renegotiate their asinine, arbitrary rules until the government stepped in. In that time, an uncountable amount of market damage has been caused by Apple's protectionist policy and can't be ignored simply because it works for some people. Apple is in the wrong, and they know it; that's why they're accepting their fate instead of fighting for their right to continue abusing their App Store privileges forever.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

#46

Post by purple-leafy »

MBCook wrote: post #22
mdhb wrote: post #16

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I got to be honest every time I look over to the Swift/iOS development ecosystem I’m shocked at the amount of nonsense they have to deal with. - Xcode is terrible - Documentation is barely existent - you can’t really reuse your code in any other context - you have to pay them money to even release your software - they steal 30% of your revenue - they reserve the right to shut you down at any point, for any reason and…

> Documentation is barely existent Depends on the thing. And there is a large community with examples online, which helps. > you can’t really reuse your code in any other context Not everyone cares. If I’m only targeting an iOS app the fact the code doesn’t run on Android or Windows isn’t a problem for me. > you have to pay them money to even release your software On Apple’s App Store, sure. Or if you want your stuff…

This is the tech version of Stockholm syndrome folks, for those of you unaware

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by purple-leafy »

cageface wrote: post #27
mdhb wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got to be honest every time I look over to the Swift/iOS development ecosystem I’m shocked at the amount of nonsense they have to deal with. - Xcode is terrible - Documentation is barely existent - you can’t really reuse your code in any other context - you have to pay them money to even release your software - they steal 30% of your revenue - they reserve the right to shut you down at any point, for any reason and…

It’s not a great choice to build a reliable software business in 2024 but most of the other choices right now aren’t great either.

Web wise:

C# is great, Node/TypeScript is passable, have heard good things about Go, Java is Java, Python is good for AI/data stuff, and I’ve heard good things about Kotlin. Also Flutter is an option.

There are quite a few options

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by cageface »

purple-leafy wrote: post #47
cageface wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a great choice to build a reliable software business in 2024 but most of the other choices right now aren’t great either.

Web wise: C# is great, Node/TypeScript is passable, have heard good things about Go, Java is Java, Python is good for AI/data stuff, and I’ve heard good things about Kotlin. Also Flutter is an option. There are quite a few options

There are plenty of ways to build apps. Not so many great ways to monetize them.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by Kon-Peki »

cageface wrote: post #48
purple-leafy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web wise: C# is great, Node/TypeScript is passable, have heard good things about Go, Java is Java, Python is good for AI/data stuff, and I’ve heard good things about Kotlin. Also Flutter is an option. There are quite a few options

There are plenty of ways to build apps. Not so many great ways to monetize them.

Surely you don't think other people have any sort of obligation to help you (for free) monetize your code.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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Post by cageface »

Kon-Peki wrote: post #49
cageface wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of ways to build apps. Not so many great ways to monetize them.

Surely you don't think other people have any sort of obligation to help you (for free) monetize your code.

Surely you can’t seriously imagine that’s what I’m saying.
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