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Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by JoeMattiello »

sircastor wrote: post #14
teeray wrote: post #8

Why is this not functionality that is built into the OS at this point? Is there anyone that loves 10,000 taskbar apps visible at all times?

I think this is a relatively niche product. Most people aren’t using so many apps and extensions that their menu bar is getting crowded with stuff.

It’s included in the SetApp bundle and a highly rated and recommended app on there. It’s not that niche especially for developers and power users that gravitate towards SetApp subscription.

For me, I was already paying for “clean my Mac” and fantastical which both cost the same or more than a SetApp subscription which includes dozens of additional apps.

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by jwells89 »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #9
blinded wrote: post #2

I own this app and haven't update yet, smh. Silly its not just a feature of the OS.

There are so many small apps that really ought to be part of the OS by now. A few that come to mind: Rectangle, or some sort of default way to control application windows with your keyboard. Mos / UnnaturalScrollWheels: if you use a docking station, you may want natural scrolling when using your laptop as a laptop, and normal scrolling when using a mouse. Windows and Linux both have this solved for 15 years now, I am…

Alfred is truly excellent. Not only is it capable of a wide array of things but is built extremely well, being exceptionally lightweight, stable, extensible, and tiny. It’s increasingly rare for software to be even two of those these days, let alone all of them.

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by pxc »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #27
garciasn wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t seen a single Mac user on screen share that doesn’t have too many icons on their bar for me. I want to see almost none. For all of Apple’s insistence on design and clean, the menu bar and those hideous icons always there was the worst one ever. I’ve been a Bartender user for over 10 years (I believe 12) and I’m now really fucking sad.

> I haven’t seen a single Mac user on screen share that doesn’t have too many icons on their bar for me. This says more about app devs than it does about users.

Apple devs as well as application developers— menu bar icons are clearly a neglected corner of the ecosystem in that Apple would prefer that app devs not persist icons in the menu bar at all. But the feature is nonetheless wildly popular as the nearest systray-alike functionality on macOS.

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by fragmede »

dwighttk wrote: post #36
LeoPanthera wrote: post #17

Ugh, this sucks. This app was nearly essential on MacBooks with a notch, since you could hide lesser used icons away to make everything fit.

man I add a few icons using istatmenus and don't even come close to the notch... what kind of icons do you have? Mine are (R to L): system date and time - system control center - iStat Network up/down and histogram - iStat Battery - Dropbox that fills about 40% of the way to the notch... 50% when I'm unplugged and the battery is showing time remaining

istat puts a bunch of graphs in the bar (CPU, memory, disk, network)

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by fragmede »

somehnguy wrote: post #12
SamuelAdams wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many small apps that really ought to be part of the OS by now. A few that come to mind: Rectangle, or some sort of default way to control application windows with your keyboard. Mos / UnnaturalScrollWheels: if you use a docking station, you may want natural scrolling when using your laptop as a laptop, and normal scrolling when using a mouse. Windows and Linux both have this solved for 15 years now, I am…

Rectangle user for years, great app. Today I got frustrated enough to find AltTab ( https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ ), huge improvement to my workflow already. Sometimes when cmd+tab'ing between apps it'll bring the selected window to the foreground, and sometimes it won't. They'll regain focus for typing, but are hidden behind another window for whatever reason. Fully open windows too, not minimized or anything.…

contexts.app for windows style alt-tab behavior

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by jwells89 »

teeray wrote: post #8

Why is this not functionality that is built into the OS at this point? Is there anyone that loves 10,000 taskbar apps visible at all times?

Menubar apps as they exist now haven’t ever really been a consideration for Apple for UX/UI design purposes. For somewhere between the first third and half of OS X’s existence it wasn’t even possible to have persistent third party status bar items without some hackery that made the system think third party apps were first party menu extras.

Even today the API they use is intended primarily for ephemeral status bar items that are present only when the host application is open and visible in the Dock, which is worked around by declaring the host app as a chromeless background app so it can stay open and keep the status item visible without cluttering peoples’ docks.

In short, the OS doesn’t have features for managing third party menubar items because indefinitely persisting third party menubar items don’t really have any place in the larger design. Third party menubar items are intended to be few in number and relevant to one of the user’s current tasks.

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

#47

Post by fragmede »

FireBeyond wrote: post #32
eyelidlessness wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s partially built into the OS, in that you can move almost every first party icon into the control center (via System Settings). That probably isn’t sufficient for everyone, but it was good enough for my usage that I never bothered installing Bartender on my M2-series MBP.

And yet people will swear blind that Apple apps don't get special treatment. Whether things like this... or the earlier days of Safari where it had access to some APIs around power-saving... Or the most nefarious, where Apple apps were able to bypass most of the TCP/IP stack tracking and send traffic directly, regardless of any on-device filtering or firewalling, like Little Snitch. And then they claimed it was only…

iirc, netcat was the truely embarrassing one that was signed and allowed to bypass firewalls

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by cpeterso »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #15
luuurker wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I tested it, icons would be hidden by the notch. Have they fixed that yet? Edit: Nope, no change and the last update was 2 years ago. Ice ( https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice ) doesn't currently handle this either, but it's "on the roadmap" ( https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice/issues/1#issuecomment-192... ) and it's being updated.

No, it still isn't aware of the notch, and there has been no update in over 2 years. The app seems to be abandoned.

That menu bar icons can be hidden behind the notch seems like an Apple bug that should be handled in macOS.

Re: macOS Bartender Auto-Update Signed by Unknown New Owner

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Post by FireBeyond »

fragmede wrote: post #47
FireBeyond wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people will swear blind that Apple apps don't get special treatment. Whether things like this... or the earlier days of Safari where it had access to some APIs around power-saving... Or the most nefarious, where Apple apps were able to bypass most of the TCP/IP stack tracking and send traffic directly, regardless of any on-device filtering or firewalling, like Little Snitch. And then they claimed it was only…

iirc, netcat was the truely embarrassing one that was signed and allowed to bypass firewalls

Yeah, that's really problematic.

But I can't imagine contortions around "yeah, it's an exceptionally simple bundled text editor but trust us, it really needed that network kernel extension."

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