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Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by throwaway290 »

jp57 wrote: post #34
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err... there's a share button although the URL is super long, without shortening it looks very awkward to share elsewhere. If you open copilot's URL [1] you can just paste and URL without asking anything, and it will return a summary. -- 1: https://copilot.microsoft.com/

Okay, here is the summary I got. Not very enlightening.... This summer, Colleen Hoover’s literary sensation takes a new form: a film adaptation of her novel “It Ends with Us”, starring Blake Lively, is set to hit theaters on August 9. The anticipation is high, but alongside devoted readers, there are also TikTok haters wondering what’s next for the prolific author. In a recent event titled “Mani-fest 2024: Main Chara…

This misses the conflict that gives this article meaning.

It's about an average self-published indie author who blew up in popularity (kind of like the author of 50 shades of gray). Pro writers don't understand why but the people/market have spoken.

It's intriguing because it means anyone can make it and write a bestseller and get rich. A lot of the article is describing her fancy house.

This prompted fame but also scrutiny and hate. Her book shows domestic violence as if it was OK. It would be fine if it remained niche with small number of readers but maybe not after it goes viral on TT and really popular among young Americans (girls presumably?). Presumably this perpetuates family dysfunction and mental trauma across generations. Then she additionally monetizes that book by selling themed nail polish and apparently even a coloring book for kids which naturally enrages some people.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by Drakim »

auggierose wrote: post #32
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #14

I'm reminded of this quote: >Some people are so poor, all they have is money. Once you reach a certain level of wealth, I suspect relationships are more important for happiness than accumulating even more. If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push i…

Who cares what online people think about you? I surely don't. Gimme them $10M! It is an interesting demonstration of how younger people think these days. I guess you are at most 25?

I'd take the $10m, but I'm part of several hobbyist communities online and having all those people who share my passions all hate my guts would suck.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by krisoft »

Jensson wrote: post #29
xboxnolifes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? I see the point, but you'd need to change that "many thousands" to more like "many tens/hundreds of millions" for it to be deterring (assuming these people…

A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper. You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc, you could find a gold digger though. Note that unlike…

> You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc

Idk. The whole thing is a pretty contrived. If the haters have some real issue they can point to then maybe. But otherwise you find someone who looks at you and not the hate spewed and you are groovy.

Also how intense hatered we are talking about? Like "sneaks through your window while you are asleep and stabs you, then goes to prison smiling" level of hate? Even a few of that caliber is pretty life changing. Or more like the "writes mean things in the comment section when your name or face comes up" kind of hater? Because having a few thousand of those is just usual influencer situation.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by 1000100_1000101 »

stavros wrote: post #25
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err... there's a share button although the URL is super long, without shortening it looks very awkward to share elsewhere. If you open copilot's URL [1] you can just paste and URL without asking anything, and it will return a summary. -- 1: https://copilot.microsoft.com/

I meant that someone asked for a summary, and you said that you like Edge because it will give you good summaries, but you didn't post the actual thing the OP had asked for :P

Ironically, perhaps they were trying not to scrape the AI answers, avoiding violating its copyright. If only the AIs were so thoughtful.

Or, perhaps there was a more long-term intent. Knowing AIs hallucinate, not copy/pasting their answers prevents the hallucinations from becoming facts on the web.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by zabzonk »

cess11 wrote: post #40
zabzonk wrote: post #33

am i alone as a pretty literate person (my kindle is my constant companion) in having never heard of her? i don't mean to badmouth her - no doubt it is me missing out.

Romance novels tend to not be considered real literature by 'serious' critics and promotion is mainly directed to women and girls directly. Maybe you don't read the right magazines, get profiled as being a woman by ad networks, things like that. Could also be that your social circles don't read romances for some reason or other. It's an underrated genre though, some romance novels are a lot of fun. For a long time wo…

surely all of jane austen's novels can be considered to be romance? and i love them. also nancy mitford's.

and i have read quite a few of barkers books (and liked some) but i don't see what being gay has to do with anything.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by germinalphrase »

Jensson wrote: post #29
xboxnolifes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? I see the point, but you'd need to change that "many thousands" to more like "many tens/hundreds of millions" for it to be deterring (assuming these people…

A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper. You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc, you could find a gold digger though. Note that unlike…

“A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper”

Is googling people after you meet them extremely common? I’m not sure that I’ve ever done so in my life, and the stakes that you raise feel wildly disproportionate.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by devchix »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #8

Does anyone have a summary? ;)

Her books were unexpectedly popular, drawing rabid fans and equally virulent critics. J-F-Christ ten thousand words to set the scene, soft focus, travelogue, have tea, visit the home, and more, to say only that. J.D. Salinger, Thomas Pynchon and many others managed to continue to write undisturbed. They also don't invite reporters into their homes for interviews.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by cess11 »

zabzonk wrote: post #45
cess11 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Romance novels tend to not be considered real literature by 'serious' critics and promotion is mainly directed to women and girls directly. Maybe you don't read the right magazines, get profiled as being a woman by ad networks, things like that. Could also be that your social circles don't read romances for some reason or other. It's an underrated genre though, some romance novels are a lot of fun. For a long time wo…

surely all of jane austen's novels can be considered to be romance? and i love them. also nancy mitford's. and i have read quite a few of barkers books (and liked some) but i don't see what being gay has to do with anything.

Sure. There's a good chance you'd enjoy Hoover's books.

There are gay themes in some of them.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by cxr »

Drakim wrote: post #42
auggierose wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares what online people think about you? I surely don't. Gimme them $10M! It is an interesting demonstration of how younger people think these days. I guess you are at most 25?

I'd take the $10m, but I'm part of several hobbyist communities online and having all those people who share my passions all hate my guts would suck.

That's not the hypothetical presented.

Re: Why Did She Stop Writing?

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Post by xboxnolifes »

Jensson wrote: post #29
xboxnolifes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? I see the point, but you'd need to change that "many thousands" to more like "many tens/hundreds of millions" for it to be deterring (assuming these people…

A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper. You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc, you could find a gold digger though. Note that unlike…

It really depends who those thousand people are. Even with 50,000 random people talking about you, the vast majority of people you interact with will have never see their messages ever. There would need to be significant overlap in the communities of you, the bad talkers, and your relationships. And that's just to see the message, not for it to be convincing.

Even with super celebrities and literally millions of people talking about them, there are tons of celebrities I've never even heard of, let alone know what people think about them. Even the ones I know of, very few do I know the majority opinion of. Probably like 10.

Also, all celebrities have thousands of haters. Yet, I don't see them failing to achieve the things you mention to be hard/impossible in this position. At least due to the haters.

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