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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by reducesuffering »

gtirloni wrote: post #26
proc0 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol true and it got me thinking maybe AGI is what will finally align humanity together, whether its because it smart enough to fix the problem or dangerous enough it will require everyone's cooperation to stop it.

> it will require everyone's cooperation to stop it Does this mythological AGI live in datacenters that we can shutdown or in some 5th dimension out of reach to us?

> that we can shutdown

“Can we just turn it off?"

"It has thought of that. It will not give you a sign that makes you want to turn it off before it is too late to do that."

https://youtu.be/_8q9bjNHeSo?si=a7PAHtiuDIAL2uQD&t=4817

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by elicksaur »

hipadev23 wrote: post #34

I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.

I’m gonna side with no one. Reading in depth on these things and stanning a side is about as worth while as reality tv fandom.

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

dragonwriter wrote: post #19
Havoc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again he was GP of the startup fund, not an LP. (At least not to my knowledge) Unless there was some sort of carry or other compensation I’d say it’s pretty fair to describe that as not owned. A bit like a trustee wouldn’t claim to own the trust fund. The beneficiaries do

A GP is a partner and as such has an financial interest in the success of the fund. In fact, they have a greater financial exposure than LPs, since they have unlimited liability for the partnership’s obligations (how much upside they have depends on the partnership agreement, its possible that LPs have all of that and a GP that's not also an LP would not — but just having downside exposure is still a serious financia…

you are right, but the GP does have usually some kind of interest. Usually 1%. Yes, its tiny, but its there.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by bitcharmer »

Teever wrote: post #16
carimura wrote: post #6

is it just me or is it hard to trust Business Insider at this point...? It seems to show its true colors over and over again as a crappy outlet just trying to survive on clicks in a post-Internet world that has made it pretty unprofitable to do actual deep journalism.

What's with the recent attacks on Business Insider of all publications?

They are generally a garbage outlet at this point.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by reducesuffering »

philsquared_ wrote: post #29
croes wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you threaten to quit to protect a liar then you made the wrong choice.

Better to have a company than not have one right?

Humanity would prefer no cigarette companies but sure, Philip Morris employees and shareholders would love to still have it. Remember that "OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI) benefits all of humanity." If their for-profit arm is obstructing that...

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by hrdwdmrbl »

This telling by Toner has the ring of truth to it over the reason for Sam's ouster. It matches. Whatever I think of Sam personally, I would likely have done the same thing in her shoes. The CEO lying to and deceiving the board multiple times is a pretty serious red line.

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Post by idiotsecant »

freehorse wrote: post #33
latentsea wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a resilient, hyperscale distributed system. Just like humanity.

Nobody has seen any AGI so far. As far as I am concerned, right now it is just a scarecrow used by sociopaths like Altman et al to promote their self-interests.

Both things can be true.

AGI is a boogeyman used by those with a competitive advantage to maintain that advantage artificially be casting competitor projects as dangerous and wreckless.

AGI is a potential existential threat to the human species on the scale of global thermonuclear war and climate change.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by [deleted] »

mmastrac wrote: post #2

I don't think there's anything new here: https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-running-openais-start... FTA: > "Sam didn't inform the board that he owned the OpenAI startup fund, even though he constantly was claiming to be an independent board member with no financial interest in the company," she said. Previously: > "Jacob Vespers does not exist to our knowledge," Madhav Dutt, a spokesperson for OpenAI, said. When…

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by apsec112 »

hipadev23 wrote: post #34

I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.

So the idea is that what Ilya Sutskever does is "meetings and political maneuvering", while what Sam Altman does is "delivering results"? That sounds rather strange....
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