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Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those words haven't (so far as I know) been sung either: they're from one of his spoken preambles, not from any of the songs. (The preambles are generally at least as funny as the songs, at least in my estimation.)

I wouldn't call what he does singing given the normal meaning of the phrase.

mini-musical?

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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Artie Shaw was another guy who walked away from fame, and he was a lot bigger than Tom Lehrer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artie_Shaw

Gerry Rafferty (probably more commercially successful than Lehrer, at least) also didn't like the business or performing aspects of music.

Bill Murray said (paraphrasing), "I always say to someone who wants to be rich and famous, 'try being rich first, and see if that doesn't get you 90% of what you want.' Being famous is a 24-hour-a-day job."

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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I still have some Tom Lehrer songs in my playlist. They sound like they're a product of their time but are still relevant today. I am also amused that I learned "new math" in elementary school, but I think it's actually different from the "new math" in his song of that name. I didn't hate it, honestly. "Now the book wants you to do it in base 8." This is actually relevant to my day to day work. (Though in base 8, I h…

New Math was a response to the Soviet lead in the space race. It was thought that introducing more abstract concepts, like different bases and set theory, would help kids grok math more. It was a fool's game. Just like every other "innovation" in mathematics education since, up to and including Common Core (one of which you probably encountered). At the elementary school level, the only way to increase math proficien…

I was in elementary school in the early 1960s. We had New Math. We learned set theory and how to do arithmetic in any base from 2 to 10.

It was fun for a budding math geek. However I kept failing miserably at the tests of memorization of the multiplication table. I knew how to add, so I didn't see the point of memorizing something that I could simply derive by repeated addition.

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Math was a response to the Soviet lead in the space race. It was thought that introducing more abstract concepts, like different bases and set theory, would help kids grok math more. It was a fool's game. Just like every other "innovation" in mathematics education since, up to and including Common Core (one of which you probably encountered). At the elementary school level, the only way to increase math proficien…

> Math is hard, and hard things can only be mastered through discipline. There are certainly some things you can only learn effectively by doing them a lot . There are also other things that you've sort of got to learn by rote memorization (e.g. times tables, various formulas). I'm not aware of anything you can only learn effectively by the threat of physical violence . For what it's worth, I was taught logic and set…

You really don't think so? Personally, threats of physical violence are very persuasive. Yeah I'll memorize that multiplication table.

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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I grew up listening to him. He seems to be personally, very happy. That’s something that I find inspirational.

I have to think "swapping fame for obscurity" is a large part of that happiness.

"Tom Lehrer Is Teaching Math and Doesn’t Want to Talk to You", brilliant.

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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The article is nice and interesting but doesn't answer the question of why did Tom Lehrer stop. It's possible he thought he didn't have anything more to say. But I doubt that's the whole reason he stopped making songs and performing. He lived through a time when the US defeated Nazi Germany, and then... hired prominent Nazis to work for them. This is what the Wernher von Braun song is about. My take is, he thinks hum…

I vaguely remember seeing that part of the reason he quit was that he felt satire had no purpose and no possibility of success in a country which elected Richard Nixon. Which may have been sort of brilliantly prescient of him, considering how popular stuff like The Daily Show / The Colbert Report was in the 2000s and yet how toothless and impotent they seem in the face of current political developments.

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I saw "Tomfoolery," a Lehrer revue, in 1980 or 1981 in SF. The actor singing "The Elements" had a periodic table and a pointer. He identified every element in time and at tempo without missing a one. Impressive.

Daniel Radcliffe sang it on Graham Norton, introducing Tom Lehrer to a crowd who didn't know him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAaiYKF0cs

I acknowledge the effort but this didn't quite land for me. Don't know the performer or the tv show; the lava lamp background was distracting.

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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I still have some Tom Lehrer songs in my playlist. They sound like they're a product of their time but are still relevant today. I am also amused that I learned "new math" in elementary school, but I think it's actually different from the "new math" in his song of that name. I didn't hate it, honestly. "Now the book wants you to do it in base 8." This is actually relevant to my day to day work. (Though in base 8, I h…

New Math was a response to the Soviet lead in the space race. It was thought that introducing more abstract concepts, like different bases and set theory, would help kids grok math more. It was a fool's game. Just like every other "innovation" in mathematics education since, up to and including Common Core (one of which you probably encountered). At the elementary school level, the only way to increase math proficien…

I have lingering bitterness for the irresponsible New Math experiment in my elementary education. I couldn't tell time on an analog clock until I was 12, thanks to the blithe dismissal of "rote" multiplication tasks.

Re: Why did Tom Lehrer swap fame for obscurity?

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evil Dark Enlightenment mathematician Eric Weinstein posted a photo on Twitter of himself and Tom Lehrer, with a blurb about how arranging the photo with his son was a great highlight of his life. I can't find it anymore, he must have taken it down.

edit: found a copy: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeTFuNkUQAAHIwa?format=jpg

He posts a lot about Tom Lehrer!

https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3A%40ericrweinstein%20lehr...

Here's Tyler Cohen claiming Tom Lehrer would have been a part of the "Intellectual Dark Web" https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/12/to...

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