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Re: Windows Returns

#41

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Not unusual though? FWIW I use Windows since Win95 and never use the Windows or Menu key (I typically live in the terminal, but can't imagine navigating the start menu or context menues with the keyboard).

I use Windows since 3.1. At the very-very least there is always Win+L. There is a navigation block (arrows, Home/End, PgUp/PgDown) which is used extensively with Ctrl and Shift when editing text and navigating files and ContextMenu is used when I need a context menu without changing my hand to the mouse to RMB. Also you can use RWin+ many keys on the right side for your own hotkeys, without clashing with the built-in…

> RWin, arrows, Enter is the fastest way to open an app which is pinned in the Start Menu.

No, the left-right arrows don't let you pick the pinned apps after you press a Window key.

Oh, and now that I am at home and can look at my keyboard, apparently I am not the only one who thinks that RWin is a useless key, but A4Tech as well: [0]. I didn't even notice that before!

[0] https://i.imgur.com/Qjf0M4X.jpeg

Re: Windows Returns

#42

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

I held the 'upgrade' from 7 to 10 for more than a decade, when I did I had to remove a lot of stuff to get back my baseline usability, so once more unto the breach when I get around doing that methinks.

Re: Windows Returns

#43
post #34

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

The taskbar change is a symbolic thing. The company that spent decades pushing "we don't break the customer's workflow" has decided that's no longer a high priority.

They are playing at a unique scale: even a "narrow interest" feature with .1% take rate is millions of people they snub if they break it. That's a huge responsibility and they used to be very good and respecting it.

The fact they backpedaled some of the changes shows that it wasn't actually a difficult technical limitation, or necessary to enable some new vision. So we can either give them the benefit of the doubt and say they lacked the resources to prioritize these features (on a trillion dollar company?) or we can figure it's a mindset of "if we break people's existing workflow, it steers them into something we prefer" (see, any excuse they can find to monkey with people's default browsers and home pages).

My work sent me a Win11 laptop. I dislike it because of an obvious trifling thing (I miss being able to click on the clock and get a pop-up month calendar), but there are other nuisances:

* Rounded window corners. I don't know who is begging for them, because it's the trend in several newer Wayland desktops, MacOS, and now Win11. It might work well with exclusively new software designed assuming there are keep-out areas, but right now we still have the occasional legacy program with some trim in the corner that's being unceremoniously cut off. This seems like something that would be a themable option, but the ability to style Windows with built-in tools seems to have peaked years ago and is crumbling with every new version. The overall look just felt off, like someone was trying to convince their elderly Grandma that a KDE desktop with Firefox was the Windows XP + IE6 he was used to.

* The constant unasked-for changes. This last week, my machine started displaying a bunch of weather and sports boxes on the lock-screen. I didn't ask for that. I assume it's an extension of the earlier "let's put a bunch of random dialog on the lock screen about the random wallpaper, which happened to of course link back to Bing" feature I didn't ask for. I don't know how to be rid of it offhand, and can't be bothered trying to find out. (It's a work machine, so I'm not going to put that much effort into making it 'mine'.) But I shouldn't have to be going in and making changes to keep the machine I use for work purposes in a predictable steady state (modulo security fixes).

Re: Windows Returns

#44
post #42

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

I held the 'upgrade' from 7 to 10 for more than a decade, when I did I had to remove a lot of stuff to get back my baseline usability, so once more unto the breach when I get around doing that methinks.

wow, that was brave, were you disconnected with that PC from the internet and so had no concerns, or just behind a good firewall and you browsed the internet sensibly?

Re: Windows Returns

#45
post #34

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

my wife is using win11 and I was checking it out from time to time. I didn't notice the taskbar is revertible to the old style, since when is that available and is that builtin or achievable with 3rd party software?

most of my annoyance comes down to the increased telemetry, ads everywhere, and the overall look of the system, dumbing the UI down basically.but I do have concerns of them breaking compatibility with older apps as well.

Re: Windows Returns

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Windows since 3.1. At the very-very least there is always Win+L. There is a navigation block (arrows, Home/End, PgUp/PgDown) which is used extensively with Ctrl and Shift when editing text and navigating files and ContextMenu is used when I need a context menu without changing my hand to the mouse to RMB. Also you can use RWin+ many keys on the right side for your own hotkeys, without clashing with the built-in…

> RWin, arrows, Enter is the fastest way to open an app which is pinned in the Start Menu. No, the left-right arrows don't let you pick the pinned apps after you press a Window key. Oh, and now that I am at home and can look at my keyboard, apparently I am not the only one who thinks that RWin is a useless key, but A4Tech as well: [0]. I didn't even notice that before! [0] https://i.imgur.com/Qjf0M4X.jpeg

> No, the left-right arrows don't let you pick the pinned apps after you press a Window key.

In Windows 10. You know, there were other versions before Win10. From 1995.

And if I have both hands on the keyboard, left on the home row and right on the navigation area - RWin is right under the right thumb. And Tab under the left pinky. But sure, your unique inability to use your keyboard is the default for the whole mankind.

Re: Windows Returns

#47
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

my wife is using win11 and I was checking it out from time to time. I didn't notice the taskbar is revertible to the old style, since when is that available and is that builtin or achievable with 3rd party software? most of my annoyance comes down to the increased telemetry, ads everywhere, and the overall look of the system, dumbing the UI down basically.but I do have concerns of them breaking compatibility with old…

I've never seen an ad on Windows, and mine came with the laptop - I believe that's because I disable all personalization features when first setting up my laptop. Anyway, the old school bar has been available as a built-in "feature" for probably around a year, you can select "Combine taskbar buttons and hide labels: Never" in the taskbar settings.

Re: Windows Returns

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year. I no longer think of myself as a power user and that seems to make my life easier and more productive. I think about it like cars on the road. Getting from A to B is the point. Sure sometimes the complexity of an alternate route is more efficient but oftentimes sitting in the slow down is the fastest way. That's diff…

> I think about it like cars on the road. Getting from A to B is the point. That's also a reasonable requirement for power users, I don't even consider myself a Windows power user since I mostly live in the terminal, browser and IDE - and play games of course, but gamers are hardly 'power users' either). But Windows has been on a long downward spiral both for 'regular' and 'power' users (unless one counts stupid idea…

Windows has been my primary OS since 3.1 except for six or eight years when I drove Linux everyday. I went back to Windows when I stopped believing myself a snowflake.

Sure there's a bunch of bullshit in Windows. But I see ads on my desktop when I browse the internet anyway. I'll live.

Re: Windows Returns

#49
How is this even professional software. Loading up news about sports, celebrities or a former porn star or other sexual stuff from mainstream news sources during a teams call. Yep the news preview or even default Edge homepage which many coworkers don’t change had this on a client call. What a joke. Even if it doesn’t bother you, news is just a distraction during the workday.

Re: Windows Returns

#50
post #34

I wonder what route existing Windows power users should take after Windows 10 support ends next year.. I don't care about these features at all, I just need a Windows OS, bare, where I can install the tools I need, not what Microsoft thinks I need, and so it also serves as a decent, performant gaming PC. I know for the first point Linux is my obvious choice, which is totally fine, but gaming support on Linux never li…

I really don't understand the Windows 11 hysteria. As a long time Windows user, I did wait for Windows 11 to support the old taskbar style before upgrading, but now that it does... It's basically Windows 10 with a few new useful bells and whistles and a bunch of things that I don't care about but are trivially turned off. I'm yet to see the huge problems people talk about after using it daily for months - for me, at…

The panic of not changing things windows users freak out about is why windows only got a filter-able task manager last year, why command prompt was garbage for decades and so on.

The problem is now they’re finally changing some things that objectively sucked the ad people in the company are also along for the ride. But they always had the power to change things, now things that sucked are finally getting fixed.

Praying explorer gets a rewrite cos it’s slow jacked garbage

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