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Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by underdeserver »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #33
tlb wrote: post #8

It's not any kind of paradox. Structural unemployment happens when the skills of the work force don't match the needs of employers, so there is both unemployment and difficulty hiring. Structural unemployment is usually high when there's a rapid change in demand for skills, as of course there is in tech. It results in crazy high salaries too. People with machine learning experience are getting 7-figure offers, while…

You can have all the skills and education you want, if employers are unreasonable about their hiring and requirements, you have no control or recourse. You have to be lucky (including knowing someone, ie networking), not necessarily good.

There is a very large number of employers. If you want to convince me they're all unreasonable, you'll need to show me some pretty compelling evidence.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by dorfsmay »

A big issue is FOMO, and the paradox of choice.

If only few potential partners are available, you will look for the best match and to settle down quickly. They might be average in look and intelligence, but you'll be happy to having found them.

If you have a lot of money, can travel, and have access to a lot of beautiful potential partners, you'll always wonder if the next one could be better looking and more intelligent, and will have a hard time to settle.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by occz »

schnebbau wrote: post #14

Juniors keep jumping ship to better offers as soon as they graduate to mid-level and become useful. Eventually employers have caught on, and now skip step 1.

An alternative route would be to just increase the compensation of juniors to make sure that trying to switch is a less lucrative option, though.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by hooverd »

mbrumlow wrote: post #28

Employers don’t want job seekers, they want people who can do the job. What I am finding of late is most people are woefully under prepared and under skilled. In the other hand everybody has a degree and wants six figures because of it. The job market is tight, but not fucked. When tight it does not have the stomach to employee warm bodies. The fix is lowerred expectations from job seekers and the long term fix is sc…

On the other hand, employers will work you to the bone if you let them and fire you at the drop of a hire despite prattling on about respect and loyalty. People briefly realized that better things were possible.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by atoav »

tlb wrote: post #8

It's not any kind of paradox. Structural unemployment happens when the skills of the work force don't match the needs of employers, so there is both unemployment and difficulty hiring. Structural unemployment is usually high when there's a rapid change in demand for skills, as of course there is in tech. It results in crazy high salaries too. People with machine learning experience are getting 7-figure offers, while…

As an employer you could as a first step even just check if the skill you look for could:

A) be unrealistic. A need for 8 years of experience in a framework that existed for a year is a need zero people can fulfill.

B) if your needs are so special that such an employee doesn't exist. I recall the days when companies would train people to do a job.

C) The job description is realistic but the people who you seek to attract won't do the job for that salary in that location for that company.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by dbdoskey »

tlb wrote: post #8

It's not any kind of paradox. Structural unemployment happens when the skills of the work force don't match the needs of employers, so there is both unemployment and difficulty hiring. Structural unemployment is usually high when there's a rapid change in demand for skills, as of course there is in tech. It results in crazy high salaries too. People with machine learning experience are getting 7-figure offers, while…

This is definitely it. The problem is that the job market has positioned it that coming with "gumption" and no real world skills (in past positions) there is a low chance that the company will take a risk on you. So doing these shifts are extremely hard.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by randomdata »

duxup wrote: post #13

I don't understand the hiring people industry. The questions thrown at me are trivia, if I knew the answer, or not, it doesn't mean anything. People are looking for weird specifics for things that ... really don't need it. The job inevitably doesn't even rely on those specifics. I'll learn whatever anyone wants, I like doing that ... no honestly I do. Can I just talk to the folks I'll potentially be working with / fo…

> I don't understand the hiring people industry.

Not many do. Especially those doing the hiring. The thing is, there isn't much business value in making it a core competency, so employers just wing it mostly based on copying what they see someone else do, without any attempt to measure effectiveness, combined with plain old hope and prayer. The result is what you have witnessed.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

tlb wrote: post #8

It's not any kind of paradox. Structural unemployment happens when the skills of the work force don't match the needs of employers, so there is both unemployment and difficulty hiring. Structural unemployment is usually high when there's a rapid change in demand for skills, as of course there is in tech. It results in crazy high salaries too. People with machine learning experience are getting 7-figure offers, while…

Structural unemployment is mostly overstated as a phenomenon. It’s really just a matching problem.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Post by jollyllama »

motoboi wrote: post #19
the_arun wrote: post #10

From jobseeker point : We need better interview process. I don’t understand leetcode style of interviews when we have ChatGPT to generate code. Even OpenAI has tough coding rounds.

Friend of mine interviewed there. Left the coding part of the interview with the strong impression that they were using him to train some kind of code LLM.

Google interviews always felt like this, even a decade ago.
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