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Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by winternett »

Following your dreams is directly linked to your ability to obtain funding.

This world has major problems in grasping different perspectives of others than the ones we're born with. When I do speeches for younger audiences, I always remind them to consider perspectives other than the ones they were raised in. It's baffling how many people walk around thinking that their perspective is fair to impose on everyone.

I think a lot of our current problems, especially wealth inequality, racism, and wars are driven by dreamers that only see their own personal vision, while also being driven by total blindness to the other perspectives affected around them.

I personally learned over many years and setbacks to live like a fisherman, not investing fully into any one category, just casting my reel in different spots and seeing if anything "bites"... If success bites, I fish in that area more, hoping that I will find enough success.

So far, I've mostly found success in embracing all the things I don't enjoy doing in order to fund the things I do enjoy... From my experience, most people (those not born into wealth & priviledge) don't earn great money unless they dive into doing things they don't enjoy...

I think it's important to be practical about it all.

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by cambaceres »

winternett wrote: post #41

Following your dreams is directly linked to your ability to obtain funding. This world has major problems in grasping different perspectives of others than the ones we're born with. When I do speeches for younger audiences, I always remind them to consider perspectives other than the ones they were raised in. It's baffling how many people walk around thinking that their perspective is fair to impose on everyone. I th…

How do you connect racism to people following their own personal vision? Wouldn't that imply that all human phenomena result from individuals pursuing their personal visions?

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by jessriedel »

talldatethrow wrote: post #33
jessriedel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On a tangent, people always say they'd rather just buy cars online. ... within a month you'd have salespeople interacting with customers again. If that were true, it wouldn't be necessary to outlaw direct-to-consumer sales. https://www.justice.gov/atr/economic-effects-state-bans-dire...

Well you mean buying direct from manufacturer for their asking price online. I mean that you can buy from a dealership for asking price online. I have done countless deals over the Internet and had a driver or a truck deliver the car to a customer. Some for asking price, some discounted.

> you mean buying direct from manufacturer for their asking price online. I mean…

Ok, but buying from their local dealership’s website is not what most people mean when they say they want to buy cars online. Likewise, when they say they buy their pens online, they don’t mean they buy them from the website of their local mom & pop stationary store.

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by em-bee »

cambaceres wrote: post #42
winternett wrote: post #41

Following your dreams is directly linked to your ability to obtain funding. This world has major problems in grasping different perspectives of others than the ones we're born with. When I do speeches for younger audiences, I always remind them to consider perspectives other than the ones they were raised in. It's baffling how many people walk around thinking that their perspective is fair to impose on everyone. I th…

How do you connect racism to people following their own personal vision? Wouldn't that imply that all human phenomena result from individuals pursuing their personal visions?

it would seem so.

the problem is that our dreams and visions are not created on a blank sheet, but they are the outcome of our upbringing and our influences. which is why some people don't develop any dreams at all when they grow up.

racism connects to visions by these people growing up in a racist environment and developing their life vision based on that.

this again brings me back to daryl davis https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40347671 who was essentially able to change the vision of people because that vision wasn't built on a strong foundation to begin with. as is true for most peoples visions and dreams.

visions and dreams are developed within the context of the communities that we join. at least all mine were. but none of those visions were work related. and how could they be? for a work related vision i needed to be in a work environment. only when i started working, i began to develop visions on how my career could develop. every work vision before that was a fantasy with little grounding in reality. it was only later that i was able to develop specific goals for my life. and even those were not defining. i had a very general vision for my life, but the things i do now didn't appear in any of my visions because until i was able to do them i had no idea that this was possible. on the other hand, some of the things that were in my original vision did become a reality. (but this may be survivorship bias, i probably forgot about the things i envisioned but was not able to do)

the more i think about it, the more i believe that we should not get attached to our dreams, because they are built on a very limited experience

and i also believe that the way to change our society including the elimination of racism and prejudices is to help each individual to develop a better life vision.

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

thomasahle wrote: post #10

The ironical thing about the "Follow what creates value for other people" advice - for math graduates in particular - is that most of modern math doesn't seem to be motivated this. I'd probably agree that research math also doesn't come from a goal of "self growth", but maybe it should be something like "follow your curiosity".

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Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by talldatethrow »

jessriedel wrote: post #43
talldatethrow wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you mean buying direct from manufacturer for their asking price online. I mean that you can buy from a dealership for asking price online. I have done countless deals over the Internet and had a driver or a truck deliver the car to a customer. Some for asking price, some discounted.

> you mean buying direct from manufacturer for their asking price online. I mean… Ok, but buying from their local dealership’s website is not what most people mean when they say they want to buy cars online. Likewise, when they say they buy their pens online, they don’t mean they buy them from the website of their local mom & pop stationary store.

I suppose, but if the price is non negotiable like with the Tesla model, does it really matter?

Would you really prefer to buy online and it gets shipped to your house via a trucker, vs buying it on the dealer website and their local driver or the salesperson delivers it?

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by jessriedel »

talldatethrow wrote: post #46
jessriedel wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you mean buying direct from manufacturer for their asking price online. I mean… Ok, but buying from their local dealership’s website is not what most people mean when they say they want to buy cars online. Likewise, when they say they buy their pens online, they don’t mean they buy them from the website of their local mom & pop stationary store.

I suppose, but if the price is non negotiable like with the Tesla model, does it really matter? Would you really prefer to buy online and it gets shipped to your house via a trucker, vs buying it on the dealer website and their local driver or the salesperson delivers it?

For a big purchase like a car, I don't think home delivery vs. pick-up in town matters much at all. I'll defer to your experience, but my expectation is that cars are such a big purchase that the time cost of one trip to pick up the purchased car is negligible.

The reason people want to be able to buy directly from the manufacturer is that they want to see real posted prices so that they can comparison shop from home without needing to drive around to twenty separate dealerships (or have painful email conversations with twenty separate salesmen) to discover the real price for each car. In other words, they want an efficient public market where the posted prices reflect the actual going rate, so that they can be confident they are getting the fair market price, rather than needing to negotiate to avoid price discrimination.

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by winternett »

cambaceres wrote: post #42
winternett wrote: post #41

Following your dreams is directly linked to your ability to obtain funding. This world has major problems in grasping different perspectives of others than the ones we're born with. When I do speeches for younger audiences, I always remind them to consider perspectives other than the ones they were raised in. It's baffling how many people walk around thinking that their perspective is fair to impose on everyone. I th…

How do you connect racism to people following their own personal vision? Wouldn't that imply that all human phenomena result from individuals pursuing their personal visions?

Personal perspective is influenced by personal bias, we all have it.

Our dreams often include the participation of others, the may account for diversity, but often do not. As Elon pushes an anti-DEI narrative on his "dream" ventures (Like Twitter and Tesla) a lot, it's just one example of how racism (consciously or not) manifests in harmful ways, and can affect the lives of others negatively.

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by winternett »

em-bee wrote: post #44
cambaceres wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you connect racism to people following their own personal vision? Wouldn't that imply that all human phenomena result from individuals pursuing their personal visions?

it would seem so. the problem is that our dreams and visions are not created on a blank sheet, but they are the outcome of our upbringing and our influences. which is why some people don't develop any dreams at all when they grow up. racism connects to visions by these people growing up in a racist environment and developing their life vision based on that. this again brings me back to daryl davis https://news.ycombi…

Agreed, I think the word "bias" kind of depicts the issue better in some cases... Bias, detailing an upbringing that is devoid of knowing, respecting, being conscious of, and considering cultures outside of one's own...

I don't think it becomes the larger (societal-level) instance of racism until it is willfully and intentionally applied towards holding others of a specific race down, or discriminating against the race of others in esteem.

Re: What "Follow Your Dreams" Misses [video]

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Post by talldatethrow »

jessriedel wrote: post #47
talldatethrow wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose, but if the price is non negotiable like with the Tesla model, does it really matter? Would you really prefer to buy online and it gets shipped to your house via a trucker, vs buying it on the dealer website and their local driver or the salesperson delivers it?

For a big purchase like a car, I don't think home delivery vs. pick-up in town matters much at all. I'll defer to your experience, but my expectation is that cars are such a big purchase that the time cost of one trip to pick up the purchased car is negligible. The reason people want to be able to buy directly from the manufacturer is that they want to see real posted prices so that they can comparison shop from home…

Not trying to argue, but few people that negotiate are doing it based on any true market value. If you see a BMW X5 for $50k on a dealer site, and an Audi Q7 for $50k, you can buy whichever one you want for $50k. I sold Audis when the Q5 first came out, and we simply wouldn't discount them. Tons of people would mention they could get $4k off at BMW, so why wouldn't we do similar. There simply wasn't a reason to. We would sell all of ours at MSRP. I suppose what you're saying is that you wish BMW just listed a lower price on their SUV that year so that everyone could compare easily? But if we go to the manufacturer model, it'll either still be static yearly pricing like MSRP is today.. or they'll do dynamic pricing like Tesla where people that bought the month prior sometimes pay a few thousand more than people that bought today.

Most customers come and try to negotiate down randomly. For a while the sites showing average price paid were interesting, and as a consumer I totally get it. But you can also get a feel for what deals a dealership is offering by just browsing their special page usually. And then buying like you would from the manufacturer.

Dealerships still play games partially because of the manufacturers sending limited numbers of certain cars and more of others. Currently Tesla is sitting on a large backlog of cars in storage. For other brands, dealers take up this slack. Dodge currently has a 2 YEAR supply of one of their crossovers sitting on dealership lots. It's going to be a huge problem for dealers.

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