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The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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And smell and bacterial levels are absolutely correlated

They are. But the solution to each might be different. And given the specific argument being contested here is whether beer was drank because it was considered safer, understanding their motives is pretty fundamental to that discussion.

The motives don't always have understanding of the root cause however. We knew that eating raw meat was unsafe even though we didn't know about salmonella.

Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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People have diarrhoea a lot today, in developed countries with stable access to clean water and food. If anything, people massively underestimate the amount of diarrhoea premodern living involved.

>People have diarrhoea a lot today, in developed countries with stable access to clean water and food My personal experience suggests it's pretty uncommon. Maybe once every few years, and I eat all sorts of questionable things.

Do you have, or live with children?

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People have diarrhoea a lot today, in developed countries with stable access to clean water and food. If anything, people massively underestimate the amount of diarrhoea premodern living involved.

>People have diarrhoea a lot today, in developed countries with stable access to clean water and food My personal experience suggests it's pretty uncommon. Maybe once every few years, and I eat all sorts of questionable things.

179 million acute cases pa in the US [https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/11/22-0247_article]. Probably an order of magnitude more unreported cases.

Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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What, boiling water? The Chinese have been drinking tea for thousands of years.

You don’t make tea to kill bacteria. You make it because of the flavour.

Porque no los dos? And as noted, in China drinking hot water is common, while drinking cold water is (traditionally) frowned on.

Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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OK this one I do know about, as the school I went to in London was founded in 1619. The “poor scholars” who were the original pupils had a ration of 5 pints of ale per day - one with breakfast, two with lunch and two with dinner. This is all recorded in the accounts from the time. It was presumably very weak

Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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post #41
post #32

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They are. But the solution to each might be different. And given the specific argument being contested here is whether beer was drank because it was considered safer, understanding their motives is pretty fundamental to that discussion.

The motives don't always have understanding of the root cause however. We knew that eating raw meat was unsafe even though we didn't know about salmonella.

That's exactly my point. This whole conversation is about whether beer was drank because water was unsafe. Understanding what their understanding of "unsafe" was, and what they considered the remedy, is central to this discussion.

Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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This is a great podcast about how Victorian London built a huge sewer system to deal with the vast amount of human waste generated by one of the biggest cities in the world: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gjcm I was reminded of it by the mention of people who collected the waste from cess pits, which is also in the podcast - it was transported outside the city and used for fertiliser.

Only partly related (London), but reminds of that striking image called Gin Lane, by Hogarth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane

Re: The Myth of Medieval Small Beer (2017)

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>People have diarrhoea a lot today, in developed countries with stable access to clean water and food My personal experience suggests it's pretty uncommon. Maybe once every few years, and I eat all sorts of questionable things.

179 million acute cases pa in the US [ https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/11/22-0247_article ]. Probably an order of magnitude more unreported cases.

>> But if everybody lives in a well-established traditional way (quoted from card_zero's comment)

> 179 million acute cases pa in the US

I don't think the US diet qualifies..

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