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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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This is missing the elephant in the room that HN is not the (or maybe even a ) money bringer for YCombinator. Were this the golden goose for a publicly traded company, the decision process could quickly shift to "make me money or GTFO". Being a "benevolent dictator" moderator is the ideal model: you have clear values, a clear strategy, an overview over everything, and the unbridled power to execute. Benevolent dictat…

I’d say HN has generated them a huge amount of money. It’s a massive center of high quality tech discussion and HN posts have priority. Every other investment company would kill to own and run HN. What’s the value? Try set up a competitor and guess at how much it’ll cost to get all the seriously top shelf users on there.

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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

> I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit.

depends on what you mean by accessible - i assume you don't mean accessibility (for blind/disabled people), but ease of access.

HN is way more easily accessed by someone. You are not nagged by a dialog to get you to download the mobile app. HN has way less clutter in their UX (even compared to old.reddit.com). HN has fewer call to action in the UX to do things like submit, vote etc.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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I believe the site is: http://okjike.com/ (?) I tried signing up - couldn’t get pass the sms verification - I am in some European country.

Assuming you OK with their privacy statement? https://post-okjike-com.translate.goog/jike-privacy/?_x_tr_s...

Is there anything offending in there? I've skimmed it and it looks like most privacy statements I've seen recently.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think it's better than Reddit because it doesn't allow user moderators. That is the downfall of Reddit, as it ultimately turned it into a site where only certain viewpoints are allowed. Downvoting doesn't even matter, they just ban dissenters anymore. This is apt to happen with any user moderated site. The other factor is that the mod(s) here are excellent and, and I rarely say this, rather neutral. No, it doesn't…

This isn’t a reasonable critique of the unpaid moderation model — the same model we’ve had since long before Reddit.

Reddit has had several notable high quality subreddits entirely because of user moderation, and is able to host niche interest communities.

I can’t think of a realistic business justification for a paid moderator to curate forums for some of my incredibly niche hobbies. These were formerly hosted on different phpBB boards, which were also moderated by unpaid volunteers. As a bonus, generally one or two of them actually had to pay to host the forum.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

HN feels like email groups. Lots of useful discussions but isn't very accessible to a younger audience.

I’m 21, have been following HN since I was 18, from Asia.

HN is perfectly accessible for younger folks, if you make it more accessible for casual unserious people, you’ll start getting more and more casual and unserious conversation.

The UI is a good filter to remove folks who need hipster UI to just use a platform.

HN is fine.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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I think it's better than Reddit because it doesn't allow user moderators. That is the downfall of Reddit, as it ultimately turned it into a site where only certain viewpoints are allowed. Downvoting doesn't even matter, they just ban dissenters anymore. This is apt to happen with any user moderated site. The other factor is that the mod(s) here are excellent and, and I rarely say this, rather neutral. No, it doesn't…

This isn’t a reasonable critique of the unpaid moderation model — the same model we’ve had since long before Reddit. Reddit has had several notable high quality subreddits entirely because of user moderation, and is able to host niche interest communities. I can’t think of a realistic business justification for a paid moderator to curate forums for some of my incredibly niche hobbies. These were formerly hosted on di…

> I can’t think of a realistic business justification for a paid moderator to curate forums for some of my incredibly niche hobbies.

meh. I 'member the old phpBB etc. days... it was decent, but once Metasploit and Shodan entered the scene and you could buy DDoS attacks for cheap on the "darknet", the workload got so much harder for operators. Not staying up to date on patches? Your server got pwned in days if not hours - or in the worst case, you'd get someone trying out their newly discovered 0day, and there were lots of these in phpBBs code base. Some troll and/or pissed off user deciding to spend 10$ on a DDoS attack? You got yourself days of fighting cat-and-mouse to keep your server up. And that's before you got into the legally nasty stuff such as people using your board (or your server) to store warez or CSAM, and before "concerned parent" and anti-sex work troll groups made waves panicking about groomers, prostitution and drugs and got incredibly dumb regulations passed, not to mention the newest batch of anti-terror legislation requiring 24h response time throughout the year.

Moderation essentially became a full day job even for small communities and carried significant legal risk, which led many small boards to close shop because a bit of swag, events and occasional donations didn't cover the expenses by far. Reddit in contrast deals with CSAM, DMCA and DDoS stuff paid for by advertising and VC money, so unless you're a corp sub, you don't need paid mods just to keep the lights on.

> These were formerly hosted on different phpBB boards, which were also moderated by unpaid volunteers. As a bonus, generally one or two of them actually had to pay to host the forum.

Being hosted on a bunch of different boards also meant that the influx of "junk users" was waaaay lower. You had to discover it in the first place, usually by word of mouth, so organized trolls just looking for fights didn't even stumble upon them.

Subreddits in contrast? They get recommended by Reddit these days, right on the frontpage of billions of users. It's on the one side awesome for new niche subreddits, but on the other side it is an insane challenge for the mods of smaller subs to keep up. Once a sub gets recommended to users, work explodes, alone from the countless onlyfans spammers.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Most people still use WeChat, even for tech news reading. You have everything inside WeChat, which is like an OS. Some young people also use Hupu(a basketball app and forum but you can also discuss other topics).

I have WeChat as a EU user, but I can't post for some reason. In Douyin and Weibo it's even worse - I'm unable to create an account. Do you know how to overcome it? I rent Hong Kong number, but it's not enough to create accounts on those platforms.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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HN feels like email groups. Lots of useful discussions but isn't very accessible to a younger audience.

I’m 21, have been following HN since I was 18, from Asia. HN is perfectly accessible for younger folks, if you make it more accessible for casual unserious people, you’ll start getting more and more casual and unserious conversation. The UI is a good filter to remove folks who need hipster UI to just use a platform. HN is fine.

There is hipster UI, and there's not handling pagination, having buttons bordering on the unusable on mobile, commenting requiring a new page to be opened, etc.
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