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Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by lupire »

worstspotgain wrote: post #20
api wrote: post #3

This kind of spam was already destroying the web before LLMs came along. Now it’s being accelerated by thousands of times. Mainstream web search is probably cooked. Kagi and other niche players might have a chance if the fact that they are not beholden to advertisers lets them introduce features to do things like downrank content with ads. Kagi has “small web” which I think includes this in its weighting. Open social…

You're assuming that LLMs will boost spam and scams more than LLMs will tone them down by marginalizing them automatically. I have the opposite view. SMTP spam used to be mostly unavoidable, then one day it was not. IMO, the number of engineers and moderators needed to offset one scammer is about to take a huge dive.

What information led to your opinion?

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by caseyy »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #27

> The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction. I'm going to be that pedant and point out that the Internet is not the same as the Web, and it's the Web that's sick. The Internet is fine. It's a distinction that matters because the Internet is expensive things like satellites and undersea cables. It's an investment that's too large to just walk…

Yes, but we all get what the author means. UDP or TCP, SMTP or HTTP — most of it is transporting low value sludge whose purpose is to exploit its consumers. It involves everything from somewhat benign forms of surveillance/profiling to aggressively malicious scams.

You could use the infrastructure for better and many people do. But most of the content on the internet isn’t that.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by voisin »

frabjoused wrote: post #33
mvkel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need to. We have LLMs now

I still would like to search and not get the dog crap that is Google's Internet, in addition to using LLMs myself.

I agree. My issue with LLMs is that it isn’t clear when it is hallucinating versus when it isn’t.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by lupire »

lmm wrote: post #40
munificent wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a classic argument and appears in many many forms: * "Psychologists don't want to fix your problems because then you'll stop needing therapy every week." * "Dating sites don't actually want you to find a long-term partner because then you'll stop using the site." * "The mechanic's not trying to actually fix your car, just get it running for a few weeks so it breaks down again and you come back." Etc. etc. Any…

> But, like, people aren't entirely stupid. Consumers generally won't keep repeatedly going back to the same business if the service is kinda sucky. And businesses generally figure out that reputation matters and the most economically viable long-term strategy is just to give people what they want. This isn't a law of nature. It's the result of particular conditions. Businesses in high-trust and low-trust cultures be…

High trust? The US sold literal "snake oil"

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #27

> The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction. I'm going to be that pedant and point out that the Internet is not the same as the Web, and it's the Web that's sick. The Internet is fine. It's a distinction that matters because the Internet is expensive things like satellites and undersea cables. It's an investment that's too large to just walk…

The rest of the internet has even less reputation & ability to assess than the web. Nothing else has links worth a damn, and links while fakeable also do say something sometimes.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by ggm »

roncesvalles wrote: post #38
ggm wrote: post #4

Buries the lede. WHY would you make so many talanted instances of Jodie? Whats the upside. How do the financials work and is it a stake, or paid labour?

Blogspam sites are made by the exact same kind of "hustle bros" who run dropshipping companies. The business model is very simple and requires 3 ingredients: web design, SEO, and copyediting. The first two are one-time costs. The 3rd one is a COGS and there is a whole market of professional blogwriters who charge something per 1000 words. To answer your question, once you create a blog that starts printing money, it'…

So if Jodie the expert in fishing works, you try cricket, music, cabbage-patch dolls on the assumption .. the ideation of Jodie worked? Feels like a big assumption that the magic was Jodie, and not the context of fishing.

Ie your "you don't really know what element made it click." above assumed Jodie was the fixed value, no matter what else.

That's what I don't get: I click on lego spam because I like lego, not because Jodie is cool and I love his wordsmithing. That follows on.

I'm probably being thick. Maybe it's because to the recipient Jodie is unique each time? It's "this is the least important part of it" so they don't change it because IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by [deleted] »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #27

> The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction. I'm going to be that pedant and point out that the Internet is not the same as the Web, and it's the Web that's sick. The Internet is fine. It's a distinction that matters because the Internet is expensive things like satellites and undersea cables. It's an investment that's too large to just walk…

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Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by flir »

caseyy wrote: post #26
roughly wrote: post #14

The reason all of this exists - the reason the entire Internet turned into an unusable amalgam of horseshit - is because we built the entire commercial side of the internet off ad revenue. It might be a death spiral at this point - I can’t imagine anyone actually being willing to Pay for whatever the fuck Google or Facebook have become, so there’s nothing left to do but keep inventing new ways to generate bullshit an…

The internet is the largest and most elaborate monument to marketing we may ever build.

Ye of little faith. Some day we'll project that Coca-Cola logo on to the moon.

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by the_sleaze_ »

flir wrote: post #48
caseyy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is the largest and most elaborate monument to marketing we may ever build.

Ye of little faith. Some day we'll project that Coca-Cola logo on to the moon.

someday we'll sell the edges of our peripheral vision for ad space in lieu of a universal basic income

Re: The most talented person in the world

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Post by szszrk »

frabjoused wrote: post #33
mvkel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need to. We have LLMs now

I still would like to search and not get the dog crap that is Google's Internet, in addition to using LLMs myself.

I know it's the other way around of what you are suggesting, but I feel I'm using Kagi for a while for the same reasons, with results you expect.

Their search is much, much cleaner, that's for sure. But what made me stick (and mostly ditch DDG, which btw is also much cleaner than google), was how well their fastgpt works as a search tool.

Summaries are very good, it includes recent events and news, it goes through pdfs, always cites it's sources. Does hallucinate for me sometimes, but I always can tell it's incorrect by the response itself. Plus it usually gives me links that easily clear out the confusion. Especially in IT field I can tell I'm fed with the source of my trouble (like initial GitHub issue that introduces broken functionality, source pdf of a study) and less discussion around it.

Their search has some neat features as well, as you can simply choose to see less/no results from given site straight from list of search results.

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