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Deaf girl is cured in world first gene therapy trial

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Re: Deaf girl is cured in world first gene therapy trial

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Post by coolspot »

silverquiet wrote: post #24
thehappypm wrote: post #9

I’m optimistic that at some point, I’ll be able to get a treatment to take care of my red green color blindness. I’m well aware that it’s very much a first world problem, and rightfully should be very low on the totem pole of medical issues to cure. But goddamnit, I want to see red.

I don't really know enough of the medical details - I thought people with color blindness lacked the proper receptors in their eyes, so it's not like in the article where a connection is restored; you'd have to grow new infrastructure in the eye which seems a bit more complicated. Nevertheless, would be very cool if possible - I know lots of men with color blindness.

Instead of modifying existing eyes, they should grow additional one/two.

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anthony__j wrote: post #14
screye wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science doesn't (and shouldn't) care for how people socialize around a disability. I recognize the power and a reclaimed self worth that comes with reframing narratives around deafness. The lack of hearing is a disease. Because diseases are nominatively about being at dis-ease. As long as it's difficult for deaf people to socialize with those who outside the community, it dis-eases them.

like someone mentioned in a separate comment, you are conflating disease with disability here. when people become too old to walk without assistance, you wouldn't say that they have a walking disease.

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Post by tantalor »

delinom wrote: post #39
thehappypm wrote: post #9

I’m optimistic that at some point, I’ll be able to get a treatment to take care of my red green color blindness. I’m well aware that it’s very much a first world problem, and rightfully should be very low on the totem pole of medical issues to cure. But goddamnit, I want to see red.

Have you tried color blindness glasses (e.g. EnChroma)? I am not familiar with them but some reaction videos were pretty heartwarming.

Those videos are fake the glasses don't do very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY-NF_7R-pk&t=559

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Post by dotnet00 »

maratc wrote: post #37

Yuval Harari makes an interesting point in one of his books: that many kinds of these inventions always start as a way to treat people with some kind of a medical condition and bring them into the "median" spectrum, but there's no stopping there and the same inventions are then used to bring "median" people into the "super-human" spectrum. What happens next is that the "regular" humans have to compete with these "sup…

You say that as if this has happened before ("many kinds of these inventions always start as..."), but what conditions have actually had this happen?

I can't think of anything that started as something to help bring people up to a median level, to then end up bringing median people into a super-human level. Everything we've done so far have all been ultimately limited by the human body, so things that bring people up to the median level ultimately have diminishing returns such that they don't benefit median people so much.

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Post by delecti »

noman-land wrote: post #31
gherkinnn wrote: post #25

What always interests me with stories of people hearing or seeing for the first time in their life, what is it like to gain a new sense? One would think that growing up with a sense is integral to its processing (and filtering) and the sudden introduction of a sense later in life would come with all sorts of side effects.

There is an entire class of YouTube video of the first moments that people see color, or hear, and it is absolutely, without question, the most joyous and wonderful class of video out there. Just so many happy tears. Little kids hearing their mother's voice for the first time. Friends seeing color for the first time after being given corrective glasses as a gift. Highly recommended watching.

Unfortunately most of those videos about the glasses are basically staged. Some of those companies have gotten in trouble for making false claims.

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Post by rowanG077 »

maratc wrote: post #37

Yuval Harari makes an interesting point in one of his books: that many kinds of these inventions always start as a way to treat people with some kind of a medical condition and bring them into the "median" spectrum, but there's no stopping there and the same inventions are then used to bring "median" people into the "super-human" spectrum. What happens next is that the "regular" humans have to compete with these "sup…

Isn't that already the case? Genetically the average Olympian is definitely super human compared to the population. Unless we start adding novel genetic data to humans I wouldn't be too worried.

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Post by anthony__j »

dotnet00 wrote: post #12
foobarian wrote: post #4

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Her condition is a genetic disorder, which is a kind of disease. The deaf 'community' consists of many kinds of deafness, some are not diseases, others are. Some of those diseases cannot be cured, others are trivial to cure. In the same way there are many different kinds of cough, some due to diseases, others not, some curable, others not, yet no one pretends it's offensive to talk about curing a cough. This weird ex…

im being a little extra in replying here, but only because i used to think like many people in this thread until i met more people living with deaf and blindness, and i realized that i had a big (pun unintended) blind spot in my cultural understanding about disability.

being deaf means that you live in a wholly separate world compared to a hearing person, and it changes the way you understand things- its a whole separate culture, as rich and complicated as any other. it does not compare to a cough, and many would find such a comparison very insensitive. for an example, i would check out the movie "The Sound of Metal"

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Post by cush »

dotnet00 wrote: post #45
maratc wrote: post #37

Yuval Harari makes an interesting point in one of his books: that many kinds of these inventions always start as a way to treat people with some kind of a medical condition and bring them into the "median" spectrum, but there's no stopping there and the same inventions are then used to bring "median" people into the "super-human" spectrum. What happens next is that the "regular" humans have to compete with these "sup…

You say that as if this has happened before ("many kinds of these inventions always start as..."), but what conditions have actually had this happen? I can't think of anything that started as something to help bring people up to a median level, to then end up bringing median people into a super-human level. Everything we've done so far have all been ultimately limited by the human body, so things that bring people up…

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Re: Deaf girl is cured in world first gene therapy trial

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Post by swozey »

tantalor wrote: post #43
delinom wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried color blindness glasses (e.g. EnChroma)? I am not familiar with them but some reaction videos were pretty heartwarming.

Those videos are fake the glasses don't do very much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY-NF_7R-pk&t=559

Well that was eye opening
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