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The fishy death of Red Lobster

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Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

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Watching private equity take over and subsequently destroy businesses is so frustrating! This is a story that comes up again and again and there isn’t yet the overwhelming backlash that’s necessary to stop it. I highly recommend the book “Plunder: private equity’s plan to pillage America” for an extremely cogent overview of the entire situation. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62874267

Can we place blame on the people who sell their firms to private equity firms?

It's understandable if you are a small business owner and someone makes an offer which means you can retire comfortably. The blame here is not with those owners, but with the private equity companies that exploit customers, and also the regulators that allow this monopolization & destruction of value to happen.

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> Watching private equity take over and subsequently destroy businesses is so frustrating! I agree. I uh, hope they don't do the same thing to Olive Garden, or Applebee's. That would be tragic..

Ah, American classism, where crap like McDonalds is OK, but pissing on Olive Garden and Applebees is a signal for "I'm not working class, I have taste". Perhaps because the latter are associated with aspirational working class, which is to be mocked. The upper middle class and higher going to coffee shops and restaurants targeting them and dialing the pretentiousness and crap fusion food and such to 11 is OK though,…

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Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

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From the article: > To raise enough cash to make the deal happen, Golden Gate sold off Red Lobster's real estate to another entity — in this case, a company called American Realty Capital Properties — and then immediately leased the restaurants back. So private equity didn't try to make Red Lobster profitable before stripping it of its assets. That was literally their first move.

Because it was a dead man walking by the time PE bought it. The underlying assets were worth more than the sale price so it was never going to make sense to do anything other than what happened. With that said, the tax code and employee law could be improved so there are stronger guardrails to protect some stakeholders more.

> The underlying assets were worth more than the sale price

That's not so clear to me. The real estate wouldn't have been worth so much without the existing restaurants having to pay rent.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

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From the article: > To raise enough cash to make the deal happen, Golden Gate sold off Red Lobster's real estate to another entity — in this case, a company called American Realty Capital Properties — and then immediately leased the restaurants back. So private equity didn't try to make Red Lobster profitable before stripping it of its assets. That was literally their first move.

That's pretty standard, even for well-run chains. Gives the primary business (making food profitably) a huge cash infusion, and removes a distraction. Obviously deal terms are important, but that action on its own isn't stripping for the sake of stripping.

> Gives the primary business (making food profitably) a huge cash infusion

What is "stripping for the sake of stripping" of not this?

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I need to resurrect my idea of a list of companies (especially ones that manufacture goods) that are owned by Private Equity so people can avoid them. In most cases, the brand name stays the same but the quality falls off a cliff.

VMWARE CA (Computer Associates) CITRIX ...

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Ah, American classism, where crap like McDonalds is OK, but pissing on Olive Garden and Applebees is a signal for "I'm not working class, I have taste". Perhaps because the latter are associated with aspirational working class, which is to be mocked. The upper middle class and higher going to coffee shops and restaurants targeting them and dialing the pretentiousness and crap fusion food and such to 11 is OK though,…

> Perhaps because the latter are associated with aspirational working class, which is to be mocked. No, what’s being mocked is the quality of the food. The “aspirational working class” in Europe has much better food options for even better prices—has nothing to do with classism and everything to do with the development of an American culture that ruined food in this country. My grandparents grew up in rural Appalachi…

>No, what’s being mocked is the quality of the food

If that was the case the "quality of the food" would be mocked elsewhere, in tons of brands with crap quality. But those seem to be particular targets in the way that say McDonalds and other fast food or higher tier but still crappy brands are not.

Besides, most references/parodies I've seen (like online, on SNL, movies, and so on) always seem to mock the working class in that context (or the ignorant lower middle class), in some "lol, these people think they're eating fancy" - usually with stereotypes about their appereance and mannerisms to match.

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Ah, American classism, where crap like McDonalds is OK, but pissing on Olive Garden and Applebees is a signal for "I'm not working class, I have taste". Perhaps because the latter are associated with aspirational working class, which is to be mocked. The upper middle class and higher going to coffee shops and restaurants targeting them and dialing the pretentiousness and crap fusion food and such to 11 is OK though,…

I mean, if McDonald's along with every restaurant in SoDoSoPa wanted to join Olive Garden and Applebees on a voyage into the sun, that wouldn't be a bad thing. The fundamental problem is that all of these businesses are devoid of soul, and the majority of the profits don't go to the people working them.

>The fundamental problem is that all of these businesses are devoid of soul, and the majority of the profits don't go to the people working them.

That however is a problem of capitalism in general, not Olive Garden in particular.

And I'd say class snobbism against lower class "taste" (independent of unhealthy fast food vs fine cuisine, since for example something like In and Out is totally acceptable by the same people) is also a problem of capitalism.

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They're currently buying up veterinary practices in the UK and turning them into cash cows. This has the effect that pet insurance has gone through the roof, and general vet bills are much higher than they used to be. Pets suffer too if owners can't afford to treat them any longer. ( https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/12/uk-vet-pric... )

A few years ago my cat needed his teeth cleaned my local vet charged me £125. The same vet, now owned by CVS, is now going to charge £250

That was €10 here in Portugal.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

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Watching private equity take over and subsequently destroy businesses is so frustrating! This is a story that comes up again and again and there isn’t yet the overwhelming backlash that’s necessary to stop it. I highly recommend the book “Plunder: private equity’s plan to pillage America” for an extremely cogent overview of the entire situation. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62874267

Can we place blame on the people who sell their firms to private equity firms?

Not necessarily. I’ve seen it happen involuntarily several times - most recently, a client was acquired by another technology company in a mutually beneficial buyout - however, a year later, the buyer found themselves undergoing a hostile takeover by private equity.

They then gutted everything - all technology teams stripped back to nothing, or a single junior to KTLO as best as possible, all management fired, although of course kept all of sales and marketing. They handle amazingly sensitive data for manufacturers across numerous sectors, including the likes of Apple and BAE, and no longer have any infosec functions.

So in the case of the client, they didn’t sell to PE, and it’s a time bomb I’m quite looking forward to seeing go bang.

In another case, years ago, it was just a straight up hostile takeover initiated by a disgruntled investor who wanted out, and an asset strip followed by administration - we, their main technology partner, got screwed to north of £100k. One of the events that lead to me deciding to quit my previous business, as I couldn’t put down the murderous rage it incited in me. The money was almost immaterial, it was the fact that these fuckers essentially burgled a perfectly good and profitable business and then robbed their entire supply chain, from services to product, and cost several hundred people their livelihoods. Fire and ice in lucifer’s mouth for all eternity for these bastards.

Yeah, a decade on, still haven’t quite put that down - but again, not initiated by anyone who actually had anything to do with the business - I felt terribly sorry for all of them.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

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I mean, if McDonald's along with every restaurant in SoDoSoPa wanted to join Olive Garden and Applebees on a voyage into the sun, that wouldn't be a bad thing. The fundamental problem is that all of these businesses are devoid of soul, and the majority of the profits don't go to the people working them.

> The fundamental problem is that all of these businesses are devoid of soul, and the majority of the profits don't go to the people working them. That however is a problem of capitalism in general, not Olive Garden in particular. And I'd say class snobbism against lower class "taste" (independent of unhealthy fast food vs fine cuisine, since for example something like In and Out is totally acceptable by the same peo…

>That however is a problem of capitalism in general, not Olive Garden in particular.

Sure, but the lengths Olive Garden's marketing goes to present the facade of a soul is so cringe that they deserve to be emblematic of said problem.

>And I'd say class snobbism against lower class "taste" (independent of unhealthy fast food vs fine cuisine, since for example something like In and Out is totally acceptable by the same people) is also a problem of capitalism.

Not to burst your class snobbism bubble, but as a former poor person I have to say the Dollar Menu kicks Olive Garden's ass all day long. For one (dollar), it isn't reheated cardboard!

I don't think fast food somehow being comparatively acceptable is a problem in and of itself, because fast food isn't pretentious. If anything, narratives that make it seem as if the "lower class" has no choice but to eat cardboard at Olive Garden if they want a dining experience, and that doing so is just a taste that's forced upon them, is laughable.

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