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Re: Paul Auster has died

#41

Post by dredmorbius »

ShamelessC wrote: post #37
dredmorbius wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38808985 >

It’s not flamebait. There was no deliberate attempt to piss people off. That it happened to anyway is entirely the fault of those outraged. It’s a relevant fact. People just get insecure and then defensive when they find one of their favorite people did something stupid. Same thing happened with Michael Jackson whose music was evidently so good that no one really batted an eye at all the awful shit he probably did. D…

I invite you to search for dang's admonishments against flamebait and generic tangents, and see if you might be able to suss out a pattern and/or rationale for that moderation. Here's the site search:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...>

Keep in mind that such acts are judgement calls, and I'll occasionally differ strongly with dang's take. For the most part, however, I find his moderation appropriate. Another point is that most HN moderation is actually performed by members, not mods, and admonisments (my term for his moderation comments) constitute only a very small number of moderator-specific interactions.

The prime directive of HN is "intellectual curiosity" (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...>), and ... regardless of how you feel about it ... taking a late hit on an accomplished author for one act on his obituary ... tends to be read poorly.

(Those whose lives were overwhelmingly negative may get different treatment. There've been a few recent obits that hit this mark in my view.)

And no, I'm not a mod, nor do I know what others' motivations are. I'm just pointing out the most likely guidelines and moderator rationales which are likely at play here.

Re: Paul Auster has died

#42

Post by rgrieselhuber »

pvg wrote: post #39
ShamelessC wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not flamebait. There was no deliberate attempt to piss people off. That it happened to anyway is entirely the fault of those outraged. It’s a relevant fact. People just get insecure and then defensive when they find one of their favorite people did something stupid. Same thing happened with Michael Jackson whose music was evidently so good that no one really batted an eye at all the awful shit he probably did. D…

It's very much flamebait to go looking for some random shit someone did and then paste it into a thread context-free, which is what the commenter self-admittedly did. Going on about downvotes and how everybody else is a censorious sheep is definitely against the site guidelines so there's nothing particularly odd about that part.

What would be the context of signing one's name to support something like Polanski that would make it excusable? It's not random shit I went looking for, I was educating myself on a writer I hadn't heard of and came across that action, which I find to be reprehensible.

Re: Paul Auster has died

#43

Post by goes21551 »

pvg wrote: post #39
ShamelessC wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not flamebait. There was no deliberate attempt to piss people off. That it happened to anyway is entirely the fault of those outraged. It’s a relevant fact. People just get insecure and then defensive when they find one of their favorite people did something stupid. Same thing happened with Michael Jackson whose music was evidently so good that no one really batted an eye at all the awful shit he probably did. D…

It's very much flamebait to go looking for some random shit someone did and then paste it into a thread context-free, which is what the commenter self-admittedly did. Going on about downvotes and how everybody else is a censorious sheep is definitely against the site guidelines so there's nothing particularly odd about that part.

Referring to it as random shit is just yuck. There are lots of people who would like to know the positives and negatives of someone who died. This is a random message board, it's not like ’rgrieselhuber is going to the funeral page and commenting. So it's alright.

This guy supported him in 2009, 30 years after the act. Also, it's no secret RP did not stop his abuses after 1977.

It's literally a thread about Paul Auster, what more context do you need?

HN has a history of being cozy on abusers, supporters etc, which alienates a lot of smart people from participating. It's unfortunate that you chose to die on this hill.

Re: Paul Auster has died

#44

Post by goes21551 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #41
ShamelessC wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not flamebait. There was no deliberate attempt to piss people off. That it happened to anyway is entirely the fault of those outraged. It’s a relevant fact. People just get insecure and then defensive when they find one of their favorite people did something stupid. Same thing happened with Michael Jackson whose music was evidently so good that no one really batted an eye at all the awful shit he probably did. D…

I invite you to search for dang's admonishments against flamebait and generic tangents, and see if you might be able to suss out a pattern and/or rationale for that moderation. Here's the site search: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... > Keep in mind that such acts are judgement calls, and I'll occasionally differ strongly with dang's take. For the most part, however, I find his moderatio…

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Re: Paul Auster has died

#45

Post by alberto_ol »

karaokeyoga wrote: post #30
moritzwarhier wrote: post #11

His books were half of what I read between age 12-25 (edit: more like 12-20, and I meant only novels, but it doesn't matter here) Sad to see him go. Picking up his books again as an adult only took away the magic in some of his weaker works. Mostly, the magic remained. The guys learning to play Bach and building a wall, the delirant anon in NYC chasing paper trails, the adolescent boy learning to levitate... the evil…

Can you recommend a first book?

My favourite is "the invention of solitude", but it is not a novel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_Solitude

Re: Paul Auster has died

#46

Post by cyberpunk »

mdh wrote: post #2

Sad news. '4 3 2 1' is one of my favourite novels with its variations on a theme of a single person's life. The same character's showing up in each thread but in totally different contexts worked particularly well.

I absolutely hated that book. I think it's the first one I didn't finish in several years.

I have no idea how it made the booker shortlist in 2017 :|

Re: Paul Auster has died

#47

Post by dredmorbius »

goes21551 wrote: post #44
dredmorbius wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I invite you to search for dang's admonishments against flamebait and generic tangents, and see if you might be able to suss out a pattern and/or rationale for that moderation. Here's the site search: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... > Keep in mind that such acts are judgement calls, and I'll occasionally differ strongly with dang's take. For the most part, however, I find his moderatio…

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That's not what I said, but thanks.

Re: Paul Auster has died

#48

Post by pvg »

goes21551 wrote: post #43
pvg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very much flamebait to go looking for some random shit someone did and then paste it into a thread context-free, which is what the commenter self-admittedly did. Going on about downvotes and how everybody else is a censorious sheep is definitely against the site guidelines so there's nothing particularly odd about that part.

Referring to it as random shit is just yuck. There are lots of people who would like to know the positives and negatives of someone who died. This is a random message board, it's not like ’rgrieselhuber is going to the funeral page and commenting. So it's alright. This guy supported him in 2009, 30 years after the act. Also, it's no secret RP did not stop his abuses after 1977. It's literally a thread about Paul Aust…

"My thoughts and feelings about the art of X changed in Y ways when I learned about Z"

That's a comment in a conversation

"I went to the Wikipedia page of someone I hadn't heard of and pasted the first thing I saw in 'Controversies' into a thread"

That's a shitpost.

To take nothing from the art of shitposting, this is a random messageboard for conversations, not a random messageboard for shitposting.

Re: Paul Auster has died

#49

Post by rgrieselhuber »

pvg wrote: post #48
goes21551 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Referring to it as random shit is just yuck. There are lots of people who would like to know the positives and negatives of someone who died. This is a random message board, it's not like ’rgrieselhuber is going to the funeral page and commenting. So it's alright. This guy supported him in 2009, 30 years after the act. Also, it's no secret RP did not stop his abuses after 1977. It's literally a thread about Paul Aust…

"My thoughts and feelings about the art of X changed in Y ways when I learned about Z" That's a comment in a conversation "I went to the Wikipedia page of someone I hadn't heard of and pasted the first thing I saw in 'Controversies' into a thread" That's a shitpost. To take nothing from the art of shitposting, this is a random messageboard for conversations, not a random messageboard for shitposting.

You conveniently ignore my directly adjacent post where I make it clear that I found this "controversy" while attempting to learn more about the author.

The other commenters made him sound interesting, so I wanted to see what his life was like and it turns out that he supported a pedophile. Seems relevant to me as I would want to know that about an author if I'm going to start reading their books.

Apparently these facts about him are just "random shit."

Re: Paul Auster has died

#50

Post by pvg »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #49
pvg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My thoughts and feelings about the art of X changed in Y ways when I learned about Z" That's a comment in a conversation "I went to the Wikipedia page of someone I hadn't heard of and pasted the first thing I saw in 'Controversies' into a thread" That's a shitpost. To take nothing from the art of shitposting, this is a random messageboard for conversations, not a random messageboard for shitposting.

You conveniently ignore my directly adjacent post where I make it clear that I found this "controversy" while attempting to learn more about the author. The other commenters made him sound interesting, so I wanted to see what his life was like and it turns out that he supported a pedophile. Seems relevant to me as I would want to know that about an author if I'm going to start reading their books. Apparently these fa…

You conveniently ignore

I could say you conveniently ignore the fact your comment was downvoted and flagkilled by other users. And like the other commenter, I'm trying to tell you why that happens - it's not, as you seem to think, because those users are keen on supporting an abuser.

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