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FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

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Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

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Would Briar be a good alternative? https://briarproject.org/ edit: How it works: https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/

Android only? Ugh

Seriously though, if you are going to take a phone to a protest, buy an Android used at a bodega and don't put anything personal on it. Expect to lose it.

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

#43
> Then, one day in February 2020, as COVID-19 swept the globe, access to FireChat was completely cut off without explanation.

If it could be shut off from one place like that, it doesn't sound very "decentralized". Anyway, are there significant obstacles to re-implementation?

Someone above mentioned an alternative that uses LoRa. That's nice but it sounds like the attraction of Firechat was that it used ordinary phones that everyone already has. LoRa by comparison is special hardware that is already a bit suspicious.

If you're willing to use special purpose radios and live with low bandwidth text communication, you can do quite a bit better than LoRa, such as with JS8CALL and HF radios. But, a sad "theorem" tells us that any communications medium will be beaten into carrying video....

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

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post #41

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Android only? Ugh

Seriously though, if you are going to take a phone to a protest, buy an Android used at a bodega and don't put anything personal on it. Expect to lose it.

Even then, most burner phones have serial numbers they can track to the sale.

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

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because open source have the worst marketing budget, always. by definition.

Do you know of any projects that tried to advertise how much it helps? Obviously quite a limited set of projects that would even have a budget to advertise, but I wonder if there is data on how much it helps to show folks there are other options.

there's ton of data. that's why most project want to use MIT. They dream with vc money so they can just dump it all in marketing and make bank. like moby, i mean docker. npm. etc.

hence why you either go GPLv3 or don't bother calling it open source.

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

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A antifa relative does not carry their phone with them when they meet, nor do they carry it in their person when attending a rally - they have a friend/lawyer name/number written in a paper with them, just in case some one has to be contacted. At rallies, masked, sun glasses, baseball hat and a couple of shirts

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Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

#47
post #8

It's gone because it was barely usable.

It's been years since I had it, but I uninstalled it when I figured out it was breaking my phones wifi connectivity. I don't know how or why, but when it was installed, my wifi was inconsistent and would frequently drop. I would uninstall it, and the problem would go away. This was on Android at least 5 years, and maybe as many as 10.

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

#48

If you really want a chat tool to start a revolution, meet in person with people you trust and don't bring any electronic devices with you. And only talk to people who you really trust. Forget phones.

A antifa relative does not carry their phone with them when they meet, nor do they carry it in their person when attending a rally - they have a friend/lawyer name/number written in a paper with them, just in case some one has to be contacted. At rallies, masked, sun glasses, baseball hat and a couple of shirts

What a waste of time and effort focusing on the dumb thing.

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A antifa relative does not carry their phone with them when they meet, nor do they carry it in their person when attending a rally - they have a friend/lawyer name/number written in a paper with them, just in case some one has to be contacted. At rallies, masked, sun glasses, baseball hat and a couple of shirts

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Sometimes honest and brave things are illegal.

Re: FireChat was a tool for revolution, then disappeared

#50
Hi there, I am on developement team of Newnode, a successor of FireChat founded by two of the same people (https://www.newnode.com/). We now provide both, a VPN and a Messenger, with purpose to help people evade censorship and enable device-to-device connectivity. You can find the source code at https://github.com/clostra/newnode
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