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Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #25

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I know, right? Of course, the American Electorate was quick to rectify its accidental moment of sanity by promptly voting him out after he installed Volcker and hiked rates to the moon (and then rewriting history to say that Carter was a bad president and Reagan tamed inflation). He was not the president we deserved, but he was the president we needed.

Who knows which single thing lost Carter the election, but the Reagan campaign appears to have back channeled with Iran to delay any hostages being released, ‘The term “October surprise” was originally used by the Reagan camp to describe its fears that Mr. Carter would manipulate the hostage crisis to effect a release just before the election. To forestall such a scenario, Mr. Casey was alleged to have met with repre…

>The term “October surprise” was originally used by the Reagan camp

In US politics it really is true with one political party that every accusation in a confession.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

The thing which kills me is that I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from:

- I am selling my family farm because I don't want there to be a perception of influence.

to:

- I am keeping all of my companies and property and will be charging the Secret Service which has the duty to protect me room and board.

That said, the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous --- it's _hard_ to bring an object which is under power and moving at speeds which allow interstellar travel into our solar system at a relative velocity which allows interaction --- witness ʻOumuamua which despite being "just" a dead chunk of rock was detected and photographed.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #7

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> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and au…

At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. And then we can’t have scientific inquiry into anything, because baby/bathwater.

Agreed, mainstream 'scientific' establishment scientific inquiry is a sham. It's a modern form of religion.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #27

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Cameras don't have minds. Mind is not a camera. We do not know the nature of consciousness nor the true dimensionality of our reality. Joshua supposedly made the Sun stop and so do gurus in India (as a matter of routine) per numerous first hand reports, but no camera has ever captured it.

You don’t need a camera to prove the su stopped. The consequences of the sun stopping, or rather the Earth ceasing its rotation, would be detectable by an extraordinary number of sources and means worldwide. And yet, no one seems to have ever noticed such an anomaly.

That is exactly correct. Now please read what I wrote again..

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #3

Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

I keep hearing folks say this in a way that grossly overestimates the capabilities of most modern camera phones. I have to ask, just how clearly does your phone take images of airliners, drones, high-altitude balloons, and satellites? Don't get me wrong, I'm not into claims of extraterrestrial visitations, but I am annoyed by the habits of lazy armchair skeptics, whose snark does more to distance true believers from…

The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us.

It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft

One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim.

This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial.

For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what we expect to see. European explorers attributed "lost white tribes",[0] and native people saw dragons instead of sailing ships. No doubt many of their people said those who saw dragons were the "clear headed" ones!

Maybe (just maybe!) we should remember our history, and think twice before being hasty with confident-sounding "End Of History / End Of Knowledge" style pronouncements.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4bvjMh4vc

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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There are lots of such videos. But the strength of that data is not that strong. Haha! :) If you have something like, right-angle change of direction, or high-res details it gets better.

Can you link some of these videos?

I think the USS Omaha video is one of the most anomalous videos.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/13in2...

https://thedebrief.org/pentagon-confirms-leaked-video-showin...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/underwater-ufos-display-capabilit...

As an aside note look into Timothy Gallaudet mentioned in the last link.

Here is one of his most comprehensive interviews, watch the first 10 mins (and then the whole thing) quite mind-blowing.

https://www.youtube.com/live/wGHAs10vMso?si=1z-f85-I0fSrpjOZ

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