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H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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It’s just such a shame all 8 billion earthlings are so addicted to food!

It doesn't need to be produced through the incredible wasteful in-between animal. People can either eat straight up plant-based food, or alternatively go for lab grown meat. There's no need to go through all the inefficiency and suffering of factory farms.

Are you vegan?

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Id hazard a guess that live virus contact with people on scale is what — by chance — eventually selects a cross over strain. So virus that can be cultured into existence of out of milk presents a possible vector for that. Hence they are testing to see if they can grow the virus from milk samples.

mixing milk dramatically increases these chances. If each person drinks milk from one cow, and there are 1 million of each, then you have 1 million chances. A chance is higher if a cow has a few mutations in its viruses, or if a person has a slightly different receptor or immune system... But if you put all the milk from the 1 million cows in a mixing vat and then distribute it to the same 1 million people, now there…

The virus is killed by pasteurization.

There is no live virus in the milk.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s just such a shame all 8 billion earthlings are so addicted to food!

It doesn't need to be produced through the incredible wasteful in-between animal. People can either eat straight up plant-based food, or alternatively go for lab grown meat. There's no need to go through all the inefficiency and suffering of factory farms.

I’ve seen videos about lab grown meat being in development. Is it actually available and available at scale?

I haven’t looked to see if studies have been done to look at the nutritional profile of lab grown vs normal meat. I’d be curious about that as well before I tried it.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#44

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There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.

Which of those alt milks are produced using biodiversity supporting practices? Oat? Soy? Almond?

Are you implying cow's milk supports biodiversity? Because it absolutely doesn't. In fact, animal agriculture is the leading cause of biodiversity loss.

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-glob...

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to be produced through the incredible wasteful in-between animal. People can either eat straight up plant-based food, or alternatively go for lab grown meat. There's no need to go through all the inefficiency and suffering of factory farms.

Are you vegan?

I am not, but I have a lot of respect for people who are. Personally, I'm too selfish and animal products taste too good.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.

Which of those alt milks are produced using biodiversity supporting practices? Oat? Soy? Almond?

Animal agriculture is the leading cause of biodiversity loss. So, yes, all the above.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Hopefully no viral particles capable of infecting humans will be found. We’ll know soon though.

They confirmed there is not live virus in the milk capable of replication. Just remnants after pasteurization.

To clarify, the article says this is not confirmed, but an ongoing research question,

- "The researchers expect additional lab studies currently underway to show that those samples don’t contain live virus with the capability to cause human infections"

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mixing milk dramatically increases these chances. If each person drinks milk from one cow, and there are 1 million of each, then you have 1 million chances. A chance is higher if a cow has a few mutations in its viruses, or if a person has a slightly different receptor or immune system... But if you put all the milk from the 1 million cows in a mixing vat and then distribute it to the same 1 million people, now there…

The virus is killed by pasteurization. There is no live virus in the milk.

If anything it could vaccinate folks

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#49

Is there a significant chance of a human crossover stemming from this cow outbreak? Are the influenza virus targets in cows similar to those of humans, that adaptations for one host would be useful for the other? Is the large population size (millions of cows) worrisome for viral evolution, with the high cumulative volume of mutations? Do governments not consider mass culling an option here, the way they routinely ap…

Only if a significant amount of people are being directly infected by the cows and a mutation occurs in a person to allow spread to other humans. So seems like the chance is low, but not zero.

The real worry is pigs.

If it makes its way to pigs, we are in trouble. From what I understand, pigs contain a mix of avian and human receptors that make them the ideal mixing ground for crossover. Cows do not.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.

Alt milks are usually ultra processed and quite unhealthy compared to regular milk. Not sure this is a viable alternative.

You're going to have to provide some sources if you'll be making such bold claims ...
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