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Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by Timshel »

fabian2k wrote: post #7

I would be curious to know what the car thought the situation was, something must have gone really wrong here. It ignored the double lines and crossed them to overtake and then stayed in the wrong lane for a really long time. If the car understood the state of the world around this, this is kind of a huge mistake in behaviour. And if it didn't it is concerning as well as it would mean it can end up in the opposite la…

What I find revealing is it utter inability to reset to a safe position.

It stays in the wrong lane; is it because it can't rejoin because the lane is occupied by the unicyclist (looking at the video it does not appear to make efforts to go back) ? or because it has already forgotten the context and is now driving happily in a lane ...

It only stopped when its path is blocked ...

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by jojobas »

cj wrote: post #32

This is kind of cute, in a dystopian way. "Waymo you're going the wrong way!" and the human uni-cyclist steers in front of Waymo, knowing that it will brake, in an attempt to force it back into the correct lane.

What if something was coded/learned to recognize the "people on the road surrounding the vehicle" situation, so that the car could try to get away or even ram them.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by Faaak »

reisse wrote: post #28
Faaak wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still no excuse for driving on the opposite lane ;-)

The unicycle rider with camera was doing the same - riding the opposite lane behind Waymo

Sure, but this article is about Waymo. We can create a new link about "unicycle rider with a camera driving on the opposite lane", but that's another topic

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by simion314 »

unhammer wrote: post #5
randunel wrote: post #2

I now expect a new recaptcha challenge to be added by Google, identifying unicycles. We already have bicycles and mopeds, but it would appear that unicycles confuse their cars.

It's the humans fault for not being lawful and considerate to the AI murderbot: > a former Baidu executive, Drive.AI board member, and one of the industry’s most prominent boosters — argues the problem is less about building a perfect driving system than training bystanders to anticipate self-driving behavior. In other words, we can make roads safe for the cars instead of the other way around. As an example of an unp…

Making rods safe for cars sound like rails, put rails and isolate them for the other streets then have super fast carts that a computer can safely drive, you could have carts where you can load your car onto and it would move you closer to the destination.

If we need to design roads for Artificial Stupidity then we should design this roads from scratch and gain some extreme speeds and extreme safety from the work.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by concordDance »

blibble wrote: post #29
Mashimo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why they still are in research and not widely available.

that's funny, because when I watched the video I've got the impression it was dangerously roaming around the roads of San Francisco with hundreds of non-consenting people in close proximity

We allow the barely coherent and error prone monkeys to control multiton vehicles around such roads for far worse reasons such as "I just felt like going for a drive".

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by blibble »

arethuza wrote: post #20
datadeft wrote: post #10

When are we going to admit that the current level of understanding and technical capabilities are not sufficient for safe autonomous driving?

To be fair, I've seen many human drivers doing equally stupid things.

I'd expect to be prosecuted if I was caught driving like this, and probably lose my license as a result

what is the threshold for permanently terminating Waymo's license?

    - an example like this of dangerous driving?
    - 1 death by dangerous driving?
    - 10 deaths by dangerous driving? (say it veered right in this video into the other road users)
    - 100 deaths by dangerous driving? (say it veers into a sidewalk full of pedestrians)

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by gnfargbl »

Waymo told the Chronicle in a statement that the robotaxi “detected that there may be a risk of a person within that crowd who had fallen down, and decided to carefully initiate a passing maneuver when the opposing lane was clear to move around what could be an obstacle and a safety concern.”

“After starting that maneuver, out of an abundance of caution around these vulnerable road users, and to avoid getting too close or cutting them off, the Waymo remained in the oncoming lane for longer than necessary before returning to its original lane of travel,” the company said.

-- https://archive.ph/24IDK

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by gus_massa »

fabian2k wrote: post #7

I would be curious to know what the car thought the situation was, something must have gone really wrong here. It ignored the double lines and crossed them to overtake and then stayed in the wrong lane for a really long time. If the car understood the state of the world around this, this is kind of a huge mistake in behaviour. And if it didn't it is concerning as well as it would mean it can end up in the opposite la…

My guess is that the police car in the wrong lane confused the system. If a car is going in a direction, 99% of the time it's safe to follow the car and go in the same direction.

Re: Waymo illegal overtake into wrong-way driving

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Post by arethuza »

Timshel wrote: post #23
arethuza wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, I've seen many human drivers doing equally stupid things.

Yes tired, drunk or raging people do stupid shit. But the goal is not exactly to have autonomous driving at their level ...

The point I was trying to make, clearly not very well, was that nobody would be surprised by a human making a mistake like this so why are we expecting perfection from a software controlled car? They will make mistakes but I'd also expect these mistakes to become less and less common. I'd only worry if the rate of change of performance isn't fairly positive...
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