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Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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It's coming. Progress is being made. A decade ago, the majority of Americans weren't using ad blockers.

This is true, but I predicted we'd get to 50% much faster than we did.

Remember that half the public is of below average intelligence.

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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post #33

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I was once a security engineer at Google. So many people really believed ad blocking is like, actual theft. Got into an argument about that with my manager once lol.

> So many people really believed ad blocking is like, actual theft. If copyright infringement is considered theft, then AdBlock would've to be considered akin to theft too. They're inherently the same thing. You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner. From my perspective, neither can be considered theft. Which is why I use AdBlock, too. But if either is theft, then the other woul…

> You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner.

Just nitpicking here, but that does not make adblocking and copyright infringement similar. Copyright is not inherently about revenue. It's about who has legal control over the distribution of the work.

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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My objection to online advertising is that these are being served to us by third parties, not the site that we are visiting.

If the site I visit takes ownership and responsibility for the ads it shows, then I'm ok with that. But that's not what happens. If there is any issue whatsoever the site palms off the responsibility - "not my fault".

Either own it or foff.

edit - grammar

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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post #42
post #40

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> So many people really believed ad blocking is like, actual theft. If copyright infringement is considered theft, then AdBlock would've to be considered akin to theft too. They're inherently the same thing. You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner. From my perspective, neither can be considered theft. Which is why I use AdBlock, too. But if either is theft, then the other woul…

> You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner. Just nitpicking here, but that does not make adblocking and copyright infringement similar. Copyright is not inherently about revenue. It's about who has legal control over the distribution of the work.

Isn't that a difference without a distinction? All copyright infringement lawsuits are centered around the loss of revenue the infringement caused.

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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Isn't that how surveys work?

2000 is 0.0007% of 260M adults living in the USA. “Majority of Americans” is a bit off the rails, imo.

The margin of error when using a random sample of 2000 people out of a population of 260M is less than 2.19% with a 95% confidence level.

You are probably making the common mistake of thinking that the larger the population the bigger a sample needs to be to accurately poll. That is true for lower populations but the "sample needed vs. population size" curve is asymptotic.

For example, suppose we want to determine what percent of people believe X, with a 5% margin of error and a 95% confidence level. Here's a table of the random sample size needed for various populations:

  Sample  Population
    80           100
   278         1 000
   370        10 000
   383       100 000
   385     1 000 000
   385    10 000 000
   ...           ...
   385             ∞

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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post #40
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was once a security engineer at Google. So many people really believed ad blocking is like, actual theft. Got into an argument about that with my manager once lol.

> So many people really believed ad blocking is like, actual theft. If copyright infringement is considered theft, then AdBlock would've to be considered akin to theft too. They're inherently the same thing. You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner. From my perspective, neither can be considered theft. Which is why I use AdBlock, too. But if either is theft, then the other woul…

That's not how copyright works.

Copyright is violated when a work is distributed or reproduced (or performed or... there's a few categories).

If I take a website, duplicate it, then publish it myself, I am engaging in copyright infringement.

If another person comes along and views my website, they are not engaging in an illegal act. It's the act of distribution that is infringing, not the act of receiving.

In your example, if a publisher creates a website and distributes their content, that publisher is exercising their rights to distribute that work. But there's no strings attached, there. Unless I sign some sort of binding contract that stipulates that I must view ads in order to receive the content, there is nothing in copyright law that says I'm in any way stealing or breaking the law by blocking those ads.

And if such a contract was in place (say, a click-through ToS... though whether those are enforceable is a question), my blocking those ads would be a contractual violation but it would not be "theft" in any meaningful sense, nor would it violate copyright law (it would be a violation of that specific contract).

So no, they are not "inherently the same thing". A publisher publishes their content. As a receiver of that content, I can do whatever I wish with it, including censoring/redacting the portions I don't want to view. Similarly, if I bought a newspaper and cut out all the ads before I read it, no reasonable person would consider that "theft".

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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post #42

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> You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner. Just nitpicking here, but that does not make adblocking and copyright infringement similar. Copyright is not inherently about revenue. It's about who has legal control over the distribution of the work.

Isn't that a difference without a distinction? All copyright infringement lawsuits are centered around the loss of revenue the infringement caused.

Not at all. The distinction is very real. Many copyright infringement lawsuits are not about the money, but are about the use of copyrighted material in a way, or by an entity, that the copyright holder doesn't approve of. They aren't upset that they weren't getting paid, they're upset at their work being used in a way they oppose.

It's also true that (outside of criminal copyright infringement) the only remedy that a court can offer is monetary. But that fact doesn't mean that money was the real issue at hand.

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

#49

"Personalized" advertising is just plain dumb --- and it is only a matter of time before advertisers are forced to reach the same obvious conclusion as consumers.

> "Personalized" advertising is just plain dumb

Could you elaborate? Imo it is the most efficient way of advertising..

Re: Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

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post #45
post #42

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> You're consuming the content without providing the expected revenue to the owner. Just nitpicking here, but that does not make adblocking and copyright infringement similar. Copyright is not inherently about revenue. It's about who has legal control over the distribution of the work.

Isn't that a difference without a distinction? All copyright infringement lawsuits are centered around the loss of revenue the infringement caused.

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