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Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Post by karencarits »

TrackerFF wrote: post #18

Don't really see why that's surprising. If you are from: - China - Russia - Iran - North-Korea - Pakistan And some other countries, you should absolutely expect full to be under full scrutiny if you plan on working with anything related to research and development (which includes academia), infrastructure, or anything that poses a national security risk. The cold hard truth is that ( especially ) those nations send o…

Indeed, two years age a researcher was arrested in Norway; he claimed he was Brazilian but the security services had identified him as a Russian spy

https://www.nrk.no/nyheter/spionsiktet-gjesteforsker-1.16157...

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Post by jnaina »

luyu_wu wrote: post #35

I'm honestly a bit appalled by the comments here. Do people nlt see that it's wrong to discriminate an entire ethnicity because of certain bad actors? Is it alright to discriminate against black or marginalized people because a few are violent?? A lot of people also didn't read the article I think, this stretches beyond students to professors who have been working here for decades. Even my mother, who works in astrop…

Blame it on the CCP, their weaponized industrial espionage network, their Wolf Warrior diplomacy, and countless other needless aggression against other nations. This along with the numerous cases of Chinese Nationals caught stealing IP from foreign companies, it is only logical for the US to be wary of China protect its interests at all costs.

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Post by ndriscoll »

seatac76 wrote: post #39

The CCP really did a number on perception here with their thousand talents program and the naked espionage efforts. It is not right if this is racial profiling but the blame for it is on the CCP. The article itself mentions that the numbers affected are a fraction of total Chinese students so I’m inclined to believe it is not racial in nature. It is more a response to Chinese pillaging of Western intellectual propert…

> how do we tackle such issues without sacrificing our values.

Recognize that "intellectual property" and restriction of knowledge is incompatible with our values. Any publicly funded research should be part of the public domain and published to the world online. Publicly funded universities should be required to post lectures and assignments to the world online. Shorten patents and copyright. Eliminate math/software patents. Eliminate trade secret protections. If a company wants protection, it can get a patent and publish the information.

The ideal citizen in a liberal democratic society is an infinitely knowledgeable one. They can make better voting decisions and are more able to start their own businesses as they understand how the world and their specific industry works.

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Post by ifwinterco »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #40
UncleEntity wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drugs... Or you had something unusual going on. They were very concerned when I was trying to fly from Amsterdam to the US on a one way ticket because I had a passport stamp from Iraq which, at the time, was impossible to get unless you were involved with government operations. And this one time I was stopped by Border Patrol at the Phoenix Greyhound station with zero reasonable articulable suspicion as a 30-somethin…

I was just a techie on a business trip. They were suspicious that my luggage was almost completely empty, because I would fill it up shopping in the states. They would always ask me why I was visiting China and I told them I lived there. Smuggling drugs out of China sounded dumb back then, given how much more Chinese are strict on the issue than the Americans. But with fentanyl today it makes more sense.

Travelling long haul without relatively 'normal' luggage is always going to attract attention

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Post by Caligatio »

luyu_wu wrote: post #35

I'm honestly a bit appalled by the comments here. Do people nlt see that it's wrong to discriminate an entire ethnicity because of certain bad actors? Is it alright to discriminate against black or marginalized people because a few are violent?? A lot of people also didn't read the article I think, this stretches beyond students to professors who have been working here for decades. Even my mother, who works in astrop…

Don't confuse nationality with race/ethnicity.

It's 100% acceptable to be suspicious of foreign nationals hailing from a country that is currently at social/political/military odds with one's own country.

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Post by sirtaj »

Qem wrote: post #14
methuselah_in wrote: post #13

As open is America with academics and western countries, other countries are just not that open. Until the feeling of grab only and don't give back it's horrible. Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. Best example is aosp. People want to have roms but don't want to pay

> Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. It's because Microsoft, a company with headquarters in a developed country, keeps bribing their officials for them to to ignore free software: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreig...

I've been to universities in India where the CS faculty put their "free" Microsoft software boxes on display because the state government has made a deal with MS, but are running Linux on all the computers.

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Post by feedforward »

> X Edward Guo, a professor of biomedical engineering at Columbia University, said that part of the problem is that, unlike in the US, military research does sometimes take place on university campuses. “

Yes those dastardly Chinese universities which do military research on campus, unlike in the good old US.

Of course this is ridiculous, military research is happening on campuses all the time. The Internet I'm sending this through was a DARPA project, never mind the thousands of even more military specific research projects at universities. In fact there are a host of laws requiring the US military on US campuses ( https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/high-court-rules-in-favor-... )

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Post by skulk »

ndriscoll wrote: post #43
seatac76 wrote: post #39

The CCP really did a number on perception here with their thousand talents program and the naked espionage efforts. It is not right if this is racial profiling but the blame for it is on the CCP. The article itself mentions that the numbers affected are a fraction of total Chinese students so I’m inclined to believe it is not racial in nature. It is more a response to Chinese pillaging of Western intellectual propert…

> how do we tackle such issues without sacrificing our values. Recognize that "intellectual property" and restriction of knowledge is incompatible with our values. Any publicly funded research should be part of the public domain and published to the world online. Publicly funded universities should be required to post lectures and assignments to the world online. Shorten patents and copyright. Eliminate math/software…

I'll voice the obvious objection to this: what happens if you share everything you do, then someone else stands on your shoulders and invents a world-changing technology, then refuses to share it back and completely ignores your patent claims? Now they dominate you economically and perhaps militarily.

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Post by kelipso »

no_exit wrote: post #49

> part of the problem is that, unlike in the US, military research does sometimes take place on university campuses. Oddly misleading, military research definitely takes place at US universities.

Yes, massive amounts of university research is funded directly by DoD and various three letter organizations, plus lots and lots of indirect funding through the MIC as well.
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