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Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

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Post by omnimus »

lrvick wrote: post #9
flooow wrote: post #7

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> This is why we need decentralization. That's an interesting interpretation. I read it as 'all cryptocurrencies are scams'.

Not all cryptocurrencies are scams, not all traffic on Tor is CSAM, and not matrix messages are spam. Some of us use all of these decentralized systems daily for their actual intended use cases of sovereignty and privacy. Things like money and messaging are too important to a functioning society to allow any single party to control. We need -actually- decentralized money and -actually- decentralized communication. Mo…

Cryptocurrencies are securities not money. Unless you have force (army) that enforces your money you will not have money.

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

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Post by omnimus »

motohagiography wrote: post #39
captn3m0 wrote: post #38

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Being a non-profit is a huge advantage to Signal as they are not beholden to profits or shareholders. A messaging app that is used by millions worldwide, is a very juicy target for profit making via advertising otherwise. Meredith (Signal president) equates it to a a rampart against tech surveillance gobbling up Signal > signal is an 501c3 nonprofit and that's a sort of you know an incorporation of you know in the US…

I have tremendous respect for Whittaker. The alarming change is that the founder (Moxie) is no longer on the board, and one of the board members is someone publicly opposed to the freedom signal provides, who is also member of organizations who advocate against what signal provides, and appears to be a former employee at agencies with an interest in mass surveillance. Even Peter Theil would be a more reliable and tru…

Or Moxie just got bored (and paid). Signal is now in position where main issues are not engineering or crypto but social, financial, political.

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

#43

Post by omnimus »

motohagiography wrote: post #39
captn3m0 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a non-profit is a huge advantage to Signal as they are not beholden to profits or shareholders. A messaging app that is used by millions worldwide, is a very juicy target for profit making via advertising otherwise. Meredith (Signal president) equates it to a a rampart against tech surveillance gobbling up Signal > signal is an 501c3 nonprofit and that's a sort of you know an incorporation of you know in the US…

I have tremendous respect for Whittaker. The alarming change is that the founder (Moxie) is no longer on the board, and one of the board members is someone publicly opposed to the freedom signal provides, who is also member of organizations who advocate against what signal provides, and appears to be a former employee at agencies with an interest in mass surveillance. Even Peter Theil would be a more reliable and tru…

How was element/matrix cut out?

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

#44

Post by Arathorn »

omnimus wrote: post #43
motohagiography wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have tremendous respect for Whittaker. The alarming change is that the founder (Moxie) is no longer on the board, and one of the board members is someone publicly opposed to the freedom signal provides, who is also member of organizations who advocate against what signal provides, and appears to be a former employee at agencies with an interest in mass surveillance. Even Peter Theil would be a more reliable and tru…

How was element/matrix cut out?

Element (or Matrix in general) hasn’t been cut out. The comment might be thinking about https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store but it got reverted after we explained what decentralisation was to Google.

It is true to say that Matrix is more at risk than Signal, though, given Matrix allows for public chatrooms - whereas in Signal you have to invited into whatever abusive content rather than being able to selfinvite (ie join).

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

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Post by lrvick »

omnimus wrote: post #41
lrvick wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all cryptocurrencies are scams, not all traffic on Tor is CSAM, and not matrix messages are spam. Some of us use all of these decentralized systems daily for their actual intended use cases of sovereignty and privacy. Things like money and messaging are too important to a functioning society to allow any single party to control. We need -actually- decentralized money and -actually- decentralized communication. Mo…

Cryptocurrencies are securities not money. Unless you have force (army) that enforces your money you will not have money.

Well I have clients that pay me in cryptocurrencies monthly, and I pay for goods and services with them regularly without Visa or Mastercard learning my purchasing behavior to sell to advertisers.

Sure cryptocurrency is not as widely accepted online or in person locally as US dollars, but it is far easier to spend those same places than my Euros which actually meets your definition of money.

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

#46

Post by lrvick »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #28
lrvick wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all cryptocurrencies are scams, not all traffic on Tor is CSAM, and not matrix messages are spam. Some of us use all of these decentralized systems daily for their actual intended use cases of sovereignty and privacy. Things like money and messaging are too important to a functioning society to allow any single party to control. We need -actually- decentralized money and -actually- decentralized communication. Mo…

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So is the paper money in your pocket people historically traded in their gold for. Gold is objectively more inflation resistant and useful, but the paper gold certificates fit in a wallet better.

Society made a convenience tradeoff.

One day the US government arbitrarily decided to not allow gold trade-ins anymore, but we had all learned to assign psychological value to this worthless paper by then and carried on anyway. Remember it is not a scam if a government does it.

Money is all fake. It is a shared delusion. If we must use "worthless" money for practical reasons, would you prefer the rate of production be set by predictable math or by whatever politicians are in power this year?

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

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Post by omnimus »

lrvick wrote: post #45
omnimus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cryptocurrencies are securities not money. Unless you have force (army) that enforces your money you will not have money.

Well I have clients that pay me in cryptocurrencies monthly, and I pay for goods and services with them regularly without Visa or Mastercard learning my purchasing behavior to sell to advertisers. Sure cryptocurrency is not as widely accepted online or in person locally as US dollars, but it is far easier to spend those same places than my Euros which actually meets your definition of money.

People will trade with amazon gift cards or weighted gold. The fact something has value and people will exchange it is not what makes thing money.

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

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Post by htk »

theossuary wrote: post #31
htk wrote: post #30

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Thank you for the link. Now I have enough to form an opinion about her.

Totally. She seems really thoughtful and aware of how absolute freedom (anarchy) just leads to a situation where implicit power structures are created by those who get there first. Hope she and others keep doing good work to ensure that the site lives up to its goal, to catalog all knowledge, not just the knowledge that's easy to catalog.

We formed completely different opinions. And that's fine.

Re: I'm no longer involved at Signal

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Post by [deleted] »

htk wrote: post #49
theossuary wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. She seems really thoughtful and aware of how absolute freedom (anarchy) just leads to a situation where implicit power structures are created by those who get there first. Hope she and others keep doing good work to ensure that the site lives up to its goal, to catalog all knowledge, not just the knowledge that's easy to catalog.

We formed completely different opinions. And that's fine.

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