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"For developers who choose to agree to the new business terms, membership in the Apple Developer Program includes one million first annual installs per year for free for apps distributed from the App Store, Web Distribution, and/or alternative marketplaces." https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ This is what some commenters here don't understand when they criticize the developer for not offering a…
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They tried to put their app on the App store since 2016! Apple refused, for EIGHT years! Then they developed their own version of an indie app store so that they can actually distribute the emulator because of that. Apple only allowed it to be published on the app store TODAY, just the day of the release of the AltStore because they are trying to make a point, the malice is on Apple's side here. But the comments here…
I think it was last week we were talking about a different emulator that was approved, so let's not try to jump to conclusions about why Apple may or may not have done something. I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their po…
See this commit from 3 years ago[1]! On Delta's Repo:
> Delta was originally developed under the impression Apple would allow it into the App Store. Unfortunately Apple later changed their minds, leaving me no choice but to find a new way to distribute Delta. Long story short, this led me to create AltStore, which now serves as the official way to install Delta onto your device.
The main reason why you “have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple” is that because you did not want to see it, because it goes against your believes (believes that have been manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine).
> Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago).
And guess why their changed their policy? Because of DMA put them in an untenable posture.
> This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store.
That's a genuine “fuck you Apple” move, which is understandable given how much “fuck you Delta” Apple gave them before, but it's also a bit of a problem. But here again this is 100% on Apple! They can 100% ban this kind of things by adding a policy to the app store that says “If you want to distribute on the App store outside of the EU, you have to provide your software on the app store in the EU as well” even if that doesn't prevent the release on an alternative store. The main reason why they don't do that, is because it would ruin their FUD about this exact situation.
You are being manipulated by a trillion dollar company, that not only hate your individual freedom, but also wants to make sure you hate it yourself so you never ask for it. And unfortunately that propaganda keeps proving highly effective…
[1] https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a4948c55...
Love the 'PAL' reference - just like how many in North America were pining for the PAL video standard (initially Europe but later entire world except North America) but we were stuck with NTSC (and doubled down).
Really? As someone who grew up with PAL, we were pining for your 60fps NTSC output, especially in fast games like beatem-ups etc (PAL is 50). I still remember the first time I saw an imported Japanese PS1 playing Teken 2, and how much smoother it looked on NTSC. I could never look at my PAL copy the same way again, I couldn't unsee the NTSC version. For me personally, those extra 10 frames trump the extra 100 scanlin…
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A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden.
> A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And unless I am missing something it wasn't available on this alternative store until today. What does that change about the conversation? > And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden. Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store in every country…
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> Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store in every country other than the EU.
As of… TODAY! Day of the release of the alternative store. What a marvelous coincidence for an emulator that has been submitted years ago on the App store and blocked by Apple for all this time!
Yes, Apple recently changed their policy about emulators … as a result of the exact same Digital Market Act that allowed this alternative store to exist. Again, this isn't a coincidence, it's just how the consequences of the regulation are unfolding and how Apple is trying to cope with it (in a surprisingly clumsy way).
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I think it was last week we were talking about a different emulator that was approved, so let's not try to jump to conclusions about why Apple may or may not have done something. I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their po…
> I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. See this commit from 3 years ago[1]! On Delta's Repo: > Delta was originally developed under the impression Apple would allow it into the App Store. Unfortunately Apple later changed their minds, leaving me no choice but to find a new way to di…
I really feel like it should be obvious that I am talking about since apple made the policy change regarding emulators. It is well understood that before about a month or so ago there was a policy against emulators.
I am talking about since that policy change went into effect and the software was in place for it (as in the iOS version was rolled out).
Apple had allowed am emulator on the App Store within the last couple weeks, which doesn't line up with your conspiracy theory that the only reason this one was allowed was because of their own store.
And no this is not 100% on apple. The developer could have put it on the App Store in all regions. Again, Apple approved an emulator recently.
Cydia was the first alternate app store.
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> A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And unless I am missing something it wasn't available on this alternative store until today. What does that change about the conversation? > And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden. Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store in every country…
> And unless I am missing something it wasn't available on this alternative store until today. What does that change about the conversation? See the sibling response. > Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store in every country other than the EU. As of… TODAY! Day of the release of the alternative store. What a marvelous coincidence for an emulator that has been submitted years ago on the App store and…
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Until recently (that is, until today), Delta wasn't even available in the app store to begin with. And most likely it and that would still be without the alternative store, since Apple is only eventually allowing it to make a point.
> since Apple is only eventually allowing it to make a point. No.. no they are not. They clearly made a policy change and allowed another emulator on the App Store https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/04/apple-removes-the-fir...
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> since Apple is only eventually allowing it to make a point. No.. no they are not. They clearly made a policy change and allowed another emulator on the App Store https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/04/apple-removes-the-fir...
Why did they do that? Did they just decide to after 6 years randomly with no inciting incident? Or did they decide to because they were being forced to allow alternative app stores which would allow emulator installation anyway?
I think it is important to point out that clearly there could be improvements to the App Store without opening it wide open.
However, this has nothing to do with my core problem here of now in the EU having no choice but to use an alternative store. When every other country can just download it from the App Store.
My problem here is not that alternative store exist. my problem is that we are already seeing a developer making the choice for me of where I can download the app from.
Which is why I replied with an article, if Apple was just focusing on "making a point" the previous emulator would not have been approved.