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Re: Mixtral 8x22B

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post #27

Does anyone have a good layman's explanation of the "Mixture-of-Experts" concept? I think I understand the idea of having "sub-experts", but how do you decide what each specialization is during training? Or is that not how it works at all?

Correct, the experts are determined by Algo, not anything humans would understand.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#42
It feels absolutely amazing to build an AI startup right now. It's as if your product automatically becomes cheaper, more reliable, and more scalable with each new major model release.

- We first struggled with limited context windows [solved]

- We had issues with consistent JSON ouput [solved]

- We had rate limiting and performance issues for the large 3rd party models [solved]

- Hosting our own OSS models for small and medium complex tasks was a pain [solved]

Obivously every startup still needs to build up defensibility and focus on differentiating with everything “non-AI”.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#43

Pricing? Found it: https://mistral.ai/technology/#pricing It'd useful to add a link to the blog post. While it's an open model, most will only be able to use it via the API.

It's open source, you can just download and run it for free on your own hardware.

"Who among us doesn't have 8 H100 cards?"

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#44
post #27

Does anyone have a good layman's explanation of the "Mixture-of-Experts" concept? I think I understand the idea of having "sub-experts", but how do you decide what each specialization is during training? Or is that not how it works at all?

This is a bit of a misnomer. Each expert is a sub network that specializes in sub understanding we can't possibly track.

During training a routing network is punished if it does not evenly distribute training tokens to the correct experts. This prevents any one or two networks from becoming the primary networks.

The result of this is that each token has essentially even probability of being routed to one of the sub models, with the underlying logic of why that model is an expert for that token being beyond our understanding or description.

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#45
I have been using mixtral daily since it was released for all kinds of writing and coding tasks. Love it and massively invested in mistrals mission.

Keep on doing this great work.

Edit: been using the previous version, seems like this one is even better?

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#47

Pricing? Found it: https://mistral.ai/technology/#pricing It'd useful to add a link to the blog post. While it's an open model, most will only be able to use it via the API.

That looks expensive compared to what groq was offering: https://wow.groq.com/

I also assume groq is 10-15x faster

Re: Mixtral 8x22B

#50

It feels absolutely amazing to build an AI startup right now. It's as if your product automatically becomes cheaper, more reliable, and more scalable with each new major model release. - We first struggled with limited context windows [solved] - We had issues with consistent JSON ouput [solved] - We had rate limiting and performance issues for the large 3rd party models [solved] - Hosting our own OSS models for small…

We are going to quickly reach the point where most of these AI startups (which do nothing but provide thin wrappers on top of public LLMs) aren't going to be needed at all. The differentiation will need to come from the value of the end product put in front of customers, not the AI backend.
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