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EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

#41

What about carbon-neutral fuel? It sounds like the most practical solution.

You have to ask how much energy it takes to produce a 'carbon-neutral fuel', whether its e-fuel, e-kerosene, or hydrogen. For example: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/lufthansa...

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

#43

This reminds me of the "eco" car that was my Volvo V70. You could fill it up with E85, which placed it in a lower tax bracket in Sweden. However, no one actually used E85, because Volvo engines had recently had issues with some engine gaskets being ruined by ethanol...

Every Subaru in the US has a sticker that says "Partial Zero Emission Vehicle". Yeah right. https://www.subaruonlineparts.com/sku/j121sfj700.html

How could anything be "partial zero"? lol

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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post #4

"these vehicles are currently not realizing their potential, largely because they are not being charged and driven fully electrically as frequently as assumed" That's crazy to me, gasoline is so much more expensive than electricity, why wouldn't people charge the batteries more often?

At least in Germany a lot of them are company cars. As in a car used by one specific employee for official and private uses alike, but paid by the company as part of the compensation. The employee might not have had a say in choosing a PHEV and might not be paying for the gasoline either.

This - the study sheet shows that only 11-15% of company owned hybrids are ever charged and driving on electricity.

It's better for private owned ones... but it's still only 45-49%!!

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

#45
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it depends on where you are living. While cars in urban areas are a definite luxury, not having a car is the luxury outside of cities. No amount of incentives and enhancements of public transportation will ever fix this issue for sparsely populated areas. You can try to reduce exhausts and travel distances with car, but you can't fight car ownership. My parents live in such an area and they can commute…

I don't get these kinds of arguments. Even if rural areas still use cars, reducing pollution in urban areas (the ones, you know, most populated) still brings massive improvements to everyone (if nothing else, the ruralites aren't stuck in traffic as much when they inevitably commute into cities) and has very measureable health benefits for everyone in the cities. Where does this silly idea that "let's use more public…

by talking to politician from Urban areas. (This is just my real life experience). I live in an urban area, also talk to people from car friendly places and they complain about lack of parking areas which is no surprise in a city (and stupid to build more) Politicians from Urban areas otherwise hate cars and want to forbid everywhere including rural areas. I just wonder why people cant understand that different places need different stuff.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

#46

In Germany you get tax benefits when buying a plugin hybrid instead of a pure gasoline car ... There's always been the legend that people return their leased PHEVs and the charging cable is still wrapped in plastic in the trunk and has never been used. Maybe there's some truth to this after all.

I guess the subsidy is too high if people bought these in preference to conventional ICE and then didn't take advantage of the improved mileage. I am not entirely sure what the government could have done instead. Subsidizing public charging might have worked better - free fuel is a strong incentive - but then maybe people simply drive more. Or perhaps more likely they buy a hybrid thinking they'll charge it but find…

As a car owner, I wish to see governments to invest in public transport. Cars mean freedom, and I love mine, but we shouldn't really use them for regular routes, like for commuting to work.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That's crazy to me, gasoline is so much more expensive than electricity, why wouldn't people charge the batteries more often? Of course any sane person would want to charge their car electrically. So I can only imagine that the inability to do so is the problem. My guess would be because many people can't. In most European cities having a dedicated place to charge your car is not affordable to most people. Which is…

To me that's a really weird analogy. Nobody would think about putting a gasoline tank and pump in their garage ... There's plenty of public charging infrastructure in Europe. Fast charging on the highways, slow charging in living areas. Even many supermarkets offer fast chargers now, so that during your grocery shopping trip you can get most of your charging needs covered. There's plenty of opportunities to charge yo…

> It's absolutely possible to own an EV without a garage

If you value your time less than the savings (if there are any savings) on electricity vs gasoline.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

#50
post #4

"these vehicles are currently not realizing their potential, largely because they are not being charged and driven fully electrically as frequently as assumed" That's crazy to me, gasoline is so much more expensive than electricity, why wouldn't people charge the batteries more often?

The cars are so expensive, that fuel costs are insignificant to the people who buy them.
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