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Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by zaik »

komali2 wrote: post #4

I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to. Also: > It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix, What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

It's a custom protocol of a VC funded startup which now seems to be struggling financially. XMPP is the existing internet standard for IM.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by schubart »

Hrnrurj wrote: post #3

It would be handy to give street mappers some sort of defense tool from dogs. Like air horn, sticks or maybe peper spray. India has a huge problem with packs of wild street dogs, that regularly attack and kill people. It is dangerous to roam on streets you do not know very well.

From the article:

> All surveyors should carry pepper spray for emergencies, whether they involve human or non-human animals. India is not for beginners, as the meme goes.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by nakedrobot2 »

I went to a State of the Map conference in Antwerp last year. For me it was fascinating, and not my normal type of crowd. A couple of things stuck out to me though.

It reminded me of the saying about libertarians: "Libertarians are like house cats. Completely dependent on a system they neither understand nor appreciate and fiercely confident of their own independence."

I love everything about openstreetmap, but it is completely dependent on the charity of Microsoft who donates the aerial/satellite images, which cost them millions. Without these images, there just would not be any openstreetmap at all. So while I appreciate the fiercely independent attitude of a lot of the OSM community, I also saw a lot of self-deception about how very dependent they are on these very large corporations, without whom they would have no source of data from which to make these maps.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by RicoElectrico »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #43

I went to a State of the Map conference in Antwerp last year. For me it was fascinating, and not my normal type of crowd. A couple of things stuck out to me though. It reminded me of the saying about libertarians: "Libertarians are like house cats. Completely dependent on a system they neither understand nor appreciate and fiercely confident of their own independence." I love everything about openstreetmap, but it is…

There are other providers, like Mapbox and Esri, not to mention local governments. There's a dependence, but not critical.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by aendruk »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #43

I went to a State of the Map conference in Antwerp last year. For me it was fascinating, and not my normal type of crowd. A couple of things stuck out to me though. It reminded me of the saying about libertarians: "Libertarians are like house cats. Completely dependent on a system they neither understand nor appreciate and fiercely confident of their own independence." I love everything about openstreetmap, but it is…

Depends where you go. Around here the local government provides aerial imagery as a public service and it’s higher quality than Microsoft’s.

A nearby city recently began using OSM in its GIS services and bootstrapped the new arrangement by collaborating with local OSM volunteers to import previously inaccessible data into OSM.

Implementing open data projects through government is completely in line with the goals of OSM.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by pastage »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #43

I went to a State of the Map conference in Antwerp last year. For me it was fascinating, and not my normal type of crowd. A couple of things stuck out to me though. It reminded me of the saying about libertarians: "Libertarians are like house cats. Completely dependent on a system they neither understand nor appreciate and fiercely confident of their own independence." I love everything about openstreetmap, but it is…

While true that Yahoo and then Bing has been important there are many other free sources of satellite imagery now days. OSM did not have access to imagery for quite a few years, so it possible without them, and also quite a lot more fun.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by pietervdvn »

sydbarrett74 wrote: post #39
pietervdvn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pokemon go already is based on OpenStreetMap. And yes, a few OSM-contributors started because a park was missing and they thus lacked a spawnpoint for pokemons. But we've also head plenty of teens adding fake data to have pokemons in their front garden. To much gamification hurts.

Fascinating! Didn't know that Go was based on OSM. This sounds like a really cool project. Thanks for your hard work.

Thanks! Niantec started as a startup within Google's startup incubator and thus used Google Maps in the very beginning. However, they got 'spun out' and when the price became to expensive, they switched to OSM anno 2017.

(I'm not sure about the details, but I think the spawn points were OSM based long before the map rendering was OSM based to). In either case, read their Wikipedia page for more details (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic,_Inc.) and our OSM-wikipage (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Go)

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by thriftwy »

komali2 wrote: post #26
ikesau wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, as recommended in the article, StreetComplete[1], which shows incomplete areas on your map and marks them as quests to add to :) Also recommended, Organic Maps[2], which is an OSM client that's good enough to use as my main map app (in my city, at least) Final recommendation, this interview[3] with the founder of OpenStreetMap Steve Coast. 3 hours of fascinating insight into the history and future of the p…

> including how he doesn't think OSM will be relevant for much longer once someone manages to develop a mapping project into their self-driving cars As someone who intends to never drive again, this is very funny to me. Cars are very obviously not the future of human transport, self driving or otherwise. They take up an absurd amount of space.

Self driving car can drive itself to a remote garage when not needed, and return back to your doorstep when needed - just press a button in your smartphone app five minutes prior.

So they will stop taking space as soon they FSD.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by sp8962 »

I need to quote myself on this thread https://twitter.com/sp8962/status/1534079141640904705

Steve hasn't been a relevant force in OSM for more than a decade and if you want to do OSM a favour, point people to the editor on openstreetmap.org, not any of the mobile or "simplified" editing apps.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Post by contrapunctus »

philsnow wrote: post #40
komali2 wrote: post #4

I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to. Also: > It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix, What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

That sentence was right after this paragraph: > Talking over phone is the most reliable way to announce the party, send reminders and confirmations, and to coordinate during the party. That way, there's no question of "didn't check my messages/email". Maybe it’s different in India but here in the states, when you tell most people that you’re not coordinating with imessage/sms (or fb messenger or whatsapp), you’ll get…

Author here, and it's quite similar in India. Everyone expects me to WhatsApp them the details, and the ubiquity of proprietary platforms is infuriating. Thankfully we've been able to use cell calls and SMS/email until we can onboard them to XMPP. (Many of us in the Delhi OSM community are free software and XMPP advocates.)
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