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The dumbphone boom is real

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Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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Too thick and heavy, compared to how small and light smartphones used to be.

What do you realistically expect? None of the major phone makers will go back to making 2009 era sized phones just to cater to you and the 3 other people who like them, because the market has spoken with their wallets unilaterally in favor of large phones, hence why most manufacturers have dropped small phones altogether, whether you like it or not. Since nothing is ever perfect at satisfying everyone, choices in lif…

Yes, I will slowly have to adapt and move to larger and larger phones once my 13 mini dies (hope this will still take a looong time).

This wont stop me from complaining how ridiculous these phones have become, even foldables are just a crude hack from my POV.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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My love for the dumbphone has nothing to do with disconnecting from distractions. I just want a small fucking phone again.

My daily driver is a Unihertz Jelly Star: full android 13, but on a 3" screen and it fits in a watch pocket. Probably not for everyone, but I love it and maybe you would too...

With bezels that big, they may as well have included a larger screen

Edit: And it's twice the thickness of a normal phone

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

#43

My love for the dumbphone has nothing to do with disconnecting from distractions. I just want a small fucking phone again.

>I just want a small fucking phone again. Foldables are now the best of both worlds now if you're open to this relatively niche tech and some of the compromises it brings.

No they're the opposite. I want a small screen that I can reach the entire thing with one thumb. Not a screen that folds out to be twice as big as I want

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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Isn't this a damning condemnation for the tech world? Can anyone think of another product that was so popular and then people started abandoning it for their own mental health? This sounds like drugs!

We created the most influential hardware device in the past 30 years (smartphone) and within 5 years it was used to weaponize human vulnerabilities (high jacking dopamine, porn, propaganda, etc...) and has had a huge negative impact on our young people so much so that social media* is now being compared to smoking. I think the takeaway is "Don't trust anything this industry makes because eventually they'll use it to extract profits and harm you in some sneaky way". Kinda like how most people rolled their eyes when tobacco companies push vapes as "safer".

Most of my non tech friends are starting to look at the tech industry like the oil industry. Greedy, hurting society for profits, and delusional. This is sad because most people I work with are amazing and great people who build fantastic products.

* I think social media would be a fraction of what it is today without the smartphone

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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post #43

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>I just want a small fucking phone again. Foldables are now the best of both worlds now if you're open to this relatively niche tech and some of the compromises it brings.

No they're the opposite. I want a small screen that I can reach the entire thing with one thumb. Not a screen that folds out to be twice as big as I want

> I want a small screen that I can reach the entire thing with one thumb

You mean just like the outer screen on foldables?

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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post #27

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i love my iphone 12 mini for this very reason. It's still small enough to fit 'mostly' comfortably in my pocket, even a shirt pocket. I hate how large most phones are now and everyone i know that sees my phone makes fun of me/it. I just don't get why (or how) one uses such huge devices as their phones now.

A friend of mine has an iPhone 12 mini. She has to carry a powerbank the size of the phone around. Thus it is bigger than my iPhone 13 Pro. YMMV.

Depends a lot on what she does with it, doesn't it?

My friend with a 12 mini complains it's still too large and basically always needs to have a purse with her since it won't fit any of her pockets. Never complained about battery life and doesn't cart any external power source, either.

Different friend had one of those cases with integrated battery packs around her iphone pros. She spends her days on the phone, though...

As another data point, my iphone 7 had basically enough battery to last me through the day until last year. I changed it because the battery was bulging, and at the end the screen was hanging on to the body by next to nothing.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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post #44

Do many dumb phones include whatsapp? I think for a lot of europeans that might be an issue

Not for me, I've NEVER had WA and I regularly tell anyone: "to reach me you have mails for long async stuff, phone calls for quick/urgent/important topics, with various VoIP numbers to match you country/phone plan, you do not need anything else".

People tray to force others on walled gardens must be LART-ed enough to understand.

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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To recharge my EV on the go, unfortunately, I need a macrospy device, aka smartphone [1] but I normally do not use it as a phone, and I answer calls from it only on the go, my phone numbers for 99% of my contacts are on my home pbx and calls get redirected only when I'm on the go. Only very few in my family know my "mobile" phone number. For me it's essentially:

- a GPS device for car navigation

- a portable hotspot when needed

- rarely a quick browser looking for basic information (like a phone number of a shop)

- rarely a MUA if I need to see, not compose, my mails on the go.

That's is. I've tried a KaiOS phone but it's just a bad hybrid, so I quit it.

[1] macrospy as opposed to classic micro-spy (bugs) that was bought and deployed with significant costs, potentially aleatory reliability and potentially short lifespan by those who want to spy a target. These days PR are able to do the inverse: an expensive and very visible device, bought and kept up by the spied target to enjoy being profiled...

Re: The dumbphone boom is real

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post #8

I tried a dumbphone but it was a frustrating experience. I recently bought myself a cheap old Android device and installed LineageOS on it. I then removed the play store and browser, and installed a handful of apps that are useful and that I don't get sucked into (personal email, whatsapp, maps, kindle). If I need to (e.g. for a trip) I can load the browser and whatever apps back on It's the only thing that has worke…

My aversion to smart phones has always been two-fold:

1. I don't like being interrupted. Land lines drove me crazy when the phone would ring unexpectedly (and it was often telemarketers). So in the early days of people starting to buy cell phones, my view of them was that I would be carrying around this thing that would constantly make noise and interrupt me wherever I went. So I default hated mobile phones in general for the longest time.

2. Once I finally bought a cell phone, and I was observing how much people were using them in general, I felt like it was a device that I didn't really control. On the desktop I use Linux and have since the late 90s. I'm a "power user" who likes to customize everything, use as much FOSS software as I can, I loathe bloatware and don't like sending my data to remote servers. So I really only used a smart phone to text my family and occasionally use a web browser if I was out in public and needed to look something up.

As for #1, I realized that smart phones in general have a killer feature that landlines never did: you can set your default ring tone to silence and then give people you actually care about a custom ring tone.

And for #2, I eventually bought a Google Pixel and installed GrapheneOS. Now I feel less hatred of the device. I still don't use a smart phone as much as most people do, but I feel like it's mine and I'm in control of it. There's no bloatware or spyware, I install the FOSS apps that I want to use and I customize the thing to my liking. It feels like running Linux on my desktops ... I'm the user & the master of the machine. It exists to serve me, not the other way around.

If I didn't use my phone as an mp3 player, reach for a web browser occasionally or temporarily install proprietary apps when I'm on vacation (Uber, My Disney Experience etc.) I'd probably get a dumb phone myself.

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