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Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

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Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

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I'm confused by this "greenshoe" business. To prevent the price of something from falling, you can: (1) Increase its demand. (2) Decrease its supply. Which one does the "greenshoe" do?

Decreases supply. They bought up shares on the market, as opposed to buying them from FB itself.

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Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

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There is a 6 month lockup period.

3 months in this case[1] [1] http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/facebook-going-public-inve... , Ctrl+F for "90 days"

Gotta dump those shares before the tax code changes next year.

Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

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Don't think it's just weekend press, and I don't think the investor community thinks of it that way either. It's sending a statement that they don't necessarily care about rewarding their investors. We won't really know what happens until MS isn't around to support the price. I'm excited to see what happens when you have a company that explicitly lets investors know that they're out to build products, not manage inve…

Isn't that what Jobs and Bezos have done?

In Jobs' case, he had a lot of charisma on his side. The investors could watch the song-and-dance that he put on at the keynotes and get excited about Apple's products (or not).

Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

#45
post #40

I love it. Stock pops after IPO, greedy bankers taking the company money. Stock doesn't pop, overhyped failure. I wonder what a successful IPO would look like. Price doesn't change, no trading volume?

To me it all seems like part of the same problem: some banker pulls a number out of his ass as "the price". There should be an auction or market of some other kind to determine the price, because... well, markets are a pretty good mechanism for determining prices, usually much better than any one individual or small group.

There's a bit of a feedback mechanism, since the only price that really matters is the one you can get. If you had an auction (the stock market is already an auction that's always ongoing, btw) as soon as its revealed that Warren Buffet bid X, you'll see people bid X+1, even if 30 seconds earlier they had scoffed that X was totally unrealistic. You could have a silent auction, but the facts come out eventually, and then you'll see the same eruption of trading. That's almost what the bankers are doing behind the scenes, holding a private silent auction.

Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

#46
post #14

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There is generally a lock-out period to make sure people are buying the company's shares, not all the employees' shares.

Can employees still sell their shares on secondmarket now that FB is public?

They might be able to, but there is no real reason to buy on a second market now, so the market would be illiquid. If the employee would want to sell now for fear of a devaluation during the lock out period they could buy put options at the current valuation, haven't checked the price, but those options can't be too expensive right now.

Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

#47
post #3

We know it was MS that's supporting them at that psychologically important $38 figure, but that $2.3B figure is just speculation. Still, I'm sure there are some very nervous traders this weekend over at MS. Would not be surprised to see a lot of shorts on stocks like Yelp, Zynga as a hedge. What a disaster this IPO was (for the banks, not for facebook). Though, I'm sure the people at Facebook aren't exactly happy wit…

Although this situation with the underwriters propping up the price makes Facebook's value pretty questionable and will create a negative sentiment, I believe it's positive for Facebook that the price didn't pop. Facebook already has a pretty steep road to travel to live up to the offering valuation. As a CEO I think I would prefer having a muted, non-volatile stock price than an inflated, volatile one. Inflated pric…

"Underwater options and market reactions can destroy employee morale --- look at Yahoo."

As are employees locked in for 3 months while seeing their stocks free falling.

Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

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There is a 6 month lockup period.

I guess we'll be seeing a lot of 2 week notices in 6 months..

People call it "calling in rich". http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2006/07/vc_clich_of_the_3.html

Re: Morgan Stanley bought 63M Facebook shares ($2.3B) to create a floor around $38

#49
post #40

I love it. Stock pops after IPO, greedy bankers taking the company money. Stock doesn't pop, overhyped failure. I wonder what a successful IPO would look like. Price doesn't change, no trading volume?

To me it all seems like part of the same problem: some banker pulls a number out of his ass as "the price". There should be an auction or market of some other kind to determine the price, because... well, markets are a pretty good mechanism for determining prices, usually much better than any one individual or small group.

that is what happens during the roadshow, which led to the price going up in the last few days and more shares being issues because of demand

funny that Google tried the auction, ended up getting wall st against them and colluding to lower the price. Facebook co-opts all the big name banks as underwriters and gets a near-perfect opening price.

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