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PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by eropple »

stavros wrote: post #36
sthlmb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if they pass the joining process but then later sneak something in that goes undetected until things go boom? There are alternatives, you can fork the original project, and things will go on. As others have said too, you can just update the underlying software and there's a good chance that the wrapper itself will continue functioning, providing there are no giant breaking changes and by that point, a fork or al…

What if there's no joining process, and they contact a maintainer directly, and peer pressure them to hand over the project, and the maintainer does, and then they sneak a backdoor in some binary test files?

That scenario is exactly what PiVPN is avoiding by refusing to nominate a new maintainer and telling interested parties to fork--so what is your actual and concrete objection?

Fork the project. Earn your own trust.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#42

Post by stavros »

eropple wrote: post #41
stavros wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if there's no joining process, and they contact a maintainer directly, and peer pressure them to hand over the project, and the maintainer does, and then they sneak a backdoor in some binary test files?

That scenario is exactly what PiVPN is avoiding by refusing to nominate a new maintainer and telling interested parties to fork--so what is your actual and concrete objection? Fork the project. Earn your own trust.

> so what is your actual and concrete objection?

This:

> I wish people would put their projects in something like https://www.codeshelter.co so anyone who's interested can maintain them, instead of just killing them

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#43

Post by eviks »

reachableceo wrote: post #15
stavros wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I wish people would put their projects in something like https://www.codeshelter.co so anyone who's interested can maintain them, instead of just killing them.

The project can be forked with a single click. That’s the beauty of GitHub.

Where do you click second to make all the (dozens of) contributors even be aware of your first single click?

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

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Post by vundercind »

jimmyl02 wrote: post #27

curious to hear does anyone know what the mentioned alternatives are? a super simple to use wireguard control plane is super valuable and PiVPN seemed to fit that gap perfectly unfortunate that it's come to an end but it's nice to hear the maintainer moving on in such a positive way :)

After meaning for years to spend the 2-3 hours I’d need to set up wire guard and get all my devices on it that I’d want on it (it’s a bit fiddly and time consuming, and inevitably with projects like that, there’s some dumb problem that comes up that wastes a bunch of time) I just did the free tier of Tailscale.

Server, two Apple TVs, a couple phones, a tablet, and a laptop all on it in like 15 minutes flat. With one of the Apple TVs configured to act as a gateway, too.

Should’ve just done that to begin with.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#45

Post by powersnail »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #35
oneplane wrote: post #9

This is the best way to conclude a project like this, I wish more clear cut "this is the end" choices were made. An ecosystem with zombie projects isn't healthy.

> I've been giving less and less attention to PiVPN, and the desire to keep up with it is no longer what it once was. I wonder if financial/monetary incentive would change this. I don't think it would personally (because putting a value on your free time/mental load/time you can spend with your loved ones doing something else away from the PC is precious) On the flip side... $500/mo? $1k/mo? $5k/mo? I'm sure most pro…

A lot of these projects are made in people's leisure time, without profitability, for other fellow geeks, and the users also uses them in their hobbies. And as fellow geeks, we are more likely to be financially poised to be on the other side of the equation: getting paid to write code, rather than being able to pay a developer's wage, at least not in the long term, not in any maintainable manner. Can you afford to pay yourself 3k/month to maintain such a project, without any profitability, just for a hobby?

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#46

Post by postpawl »

FerretFred wrote: post #20

That's such a shame - I've used PiVPN many times and it's just made life so straightforward. Big, BIG thanks to all involved, and you'll be missed!

It’s probably better to just use the wireguard docker container setup instructions now: https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-wireguard?tab=readme-o...

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#47

Post by postpawl »

jimmyl02 wrote: post #27

curious to hear does anyone know what the mentioned alternatives are? a super simple to use wireguard control plane is super valuable and PiVPN seemed to fit that gap perfectly unfortunate that it's come to an end but it's nice to hear the maintainer moving on in such a positive way :)

Docker-wireguard: https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-wireguard?tab=readme-o...

You set the number of peers and it generates that number of folders with certificates and QR codes for you.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#48

Post by wolverine876 »

planb wrote: post #21
stavros wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The community matters. It's one thing to get control of the official websites, official packages, etc, and another to have to tell every single user "come use my fork".

But this is dangerous. There are many „Jia Tans“ out there who would love to continue maintenance of those projects with the full community.

There are accidents on the highway, planes crash, fires in buildings, etc. Let's reason about Jia Tan - a problem, not a danger to all of FOSS - not, like everything else these days, just embrace ignorant fears.

It's cool to destroy social trust, to deny it and abandon it. The counterargument is right in front of your nose - the incredible, infinite, world-changing world of FOSS. Think of all those amazing projects, social trust working over and over and over.

You're going to throw all that out over one guy? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#49

Post by Saris »

jimmyl02 wrote: post #27

curious to hear does anyone know what the mentioned alternatives are? a super simple to use wireguard control plane is super valuable and PiVPN seemed to fit that gap perfectly unfortunate that it's come to an end but it's nice to hear the maintainer moving on in such a positive way :)

wg-easy is probably the easiest to use simple alternative I can think of.

Re: PiVPN v4.6.0: The End

#50

Post by Hamuko »

Anyone got a recommendation for a router with Wireguard support baked in? I've been running PiVPN on a separate box but since I need a new router anyways and it's not going to be supported, that might be a viable replacement.
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