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Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by kristianp »

slowbdotro wrote: post #38
pdimitar wrote: post #21

So much for the "last version of Windows we'll do" then. Seems my support for Microsoft might end up for good at October 2025. Might replace my aging 1080 Ti with an AMD card and start gaming on Linux. Seems the time has come to start evaluating.

Do it! Every day Linux is better and better than before, where as windows is... not so good. Sure there are edge cases like having to use Libre Office instead of Word, but just think of that $100/y saving you'll be having by switching! & Possibly even get a more responsive system!

I use word and excel via Playonlinux, a Wine front end.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by ryanjshaw »

coucoualpha wrote: post #40
ryanjshaw wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still happily develop on an i7-950 with 24GB of RAM from 13 years ago. I just haven't been able to justify the minimal performance improvements from upgrading vs all the other things my family needs.

Curious, thats quite high RAM, hows the performance? Do you experience lag?

Nope, that machine has a 512GB SSD and runs just as fast as modern corporate dev spec laptops I've used with the same core count. That being said, my static analyzer would definitely benefit from a more modern CPU!

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by coucoualpha »

kristianp wrote: post #41
slowbdotro wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do it! Every day Linux is better and better than before, where as windows is... not so good. Sure there are edge cases like having to use Libre Office instead of Word, but just think of that $100/y saving you'll be having by switching! & Possibly even get a more responsive system!

I use word and excel via Playonlinux, a Wine front end.

Wondering if Excel VBA Macro works with this ?

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by linuxandrew »

hhh wrote: post #14
TreetopPlace wrote: post #10

I wonder if this could be classified as an environmental crime? Microsoft are forcing to e-waste a considerable percentage of the world's computing devices, and forcing new devices to be built and consumed. And for no reason other than to force people onto Windows 11. Corporations MUST be held responsible for these actions. If not at the legal level then there must be divestment of Microsoft shares by investment grou…

Microsoft isn’t forcing anything to be e-waste. They’re dropping support for what will be a 10 year old OS. You’re not forced onto Windows 11. You just won’t get support or security patches. While people should upgrade, industries will still keep w10 around for a long time, just like they do with XP, 98, NT4, etc.

Many people can't upgrade.

Running an unsupported and insecure OS on the internet is untenable.

Windows 10 may be a 10 year old OS but Windows 11 has only been around for 2.5 years.

Last I checked, Windows was also an end-user product and not just for industries.

There will absolutely be computers that are less than 5 years old that will go to e-waste.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by senectus1 »

pdimitar wrote: post #21

So much for the "last version of Windows we'll do" then. Seems my support for Microsoft might end up for good at October 2025. Might replace my aging 1080 Ti with an AMD card and start gaming on Linux. Seems the time has come to start evaluating.

been playing on a 3070 quite happily on linux for the last year or so, on a dual boot win11/fedora box... but after i installed fedora i never booted into win11 again!

Just forked out for a 4070 ti super so i toy with some AI stuff... when it arrives I'm doing a clean fresh build. Fedora only. no windows at home anymore.

While I would loved to have bought an AMD GPU, the power suck on those high end cards is an order of magnitude more than the Nvidia

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by slowbdotro »

meekins wrote: post #17

The only Windows box I have is an AMD-based gaming rig and last time I checked the hardware isn't Windows 11 compatible. Time to check out how the gaming experience on Linux is these days.

Nearly every game will just work, unless you play a Competitive Game with a kernel anti-cheat. (Looking at you valorant). Https://protondb.com search for the game(s) you play, and hey presto it's fine.

Obviously it's primarily targeted at steam games, Lutris will sort you out with any other windows game (a game manager like steam but for _nearly every_ game)

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by dspillett »

hhh wrote: post #14
TreetopPlace wrote: post #10

I wonder if this could be classified as an environmental crime? Microsoft are forcing to e-waste a considerable percentage of the world's computing devices, and forcing new devices to be built and consumed. And for no reason other than to force people onto Windows 11. Corporations MUST be held responsible for these actions. If not at the legal level then there must be divestment of Microsoft shares by investment grou…

Microsoft isn’t forcing anything to be e-waste. They’re dropping support for what will be a 10 year old OS. You’re not forced onto Windows 11. You just won’t get support or security patches. While people should upgrade, industries will still keep w10 around for a long time, just like they do with XP, 98, NT4, etc.

When they were pushing Win10 hard it was said to be the last Windows you would need to buy, not those exact words but what they wanted people to think. So now people who bought into that who have machines Win11 won't install on (no TPM or TPM Win11 is incompatible with being the usual reason), have been bait & switched into needing new hardware or switching away from Windows, a task that, as many will gladly tell you in other contexts, is only free if using your time has no opportunity cost, and might not work well anyway due to driver issues with hardware that has no decent published specs. Not directly forcing e-waste, but certainly making it very likely to happen.

If my main home machine didn't need some replacement anyway (there is something funky happening with USB connectivity, particularly for devices needing more than negligible power) it would definitely be moving to Linux rather than being replaced, even if I do upgrade it might anyway, but I am not the norm and I don't have time to help others make the same change and support them afterwards. To suggest that MS is OK to have performed this long-term bait & switch because other options exist is disingenuous at best.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by lozenge »

sccxy wrote: post #26
skilled wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes plenty of sense, Tell Microsoft: Don’t leave millions of computers behind ( https://pirg.org/take-action/tell-microsoft-dont-leave-milli... ) 20,000 call on Microsoft to save 400 million PCs ( https://pirg.org/media-center/20000-call-on-microsoft-to-sav... ) RELEASE: Microsoft extends life of Windows 10 for $1 ( https://pirg.org/media-center/release-microsoft-extends-life... )

You have option to pay for extended support. It is not like after this date all your systems are shut down forever.

Ooh, they're offering extended support to consumers now - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/windows

That's exciting.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by dspillett »

xg15 wrote: post #39
hhh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft isn’t forcing anything to be e-waste. They’re dropping support for what will be a 10 year old OS. You’re not forced onto Windows 11. You just won’t get support or security patches. While people should upgrade, industries will still keep w10 around for a long time, just like they do with XP, 98, NT4, etc.

Ostensibly this was the same deal they made with Windows XP: "We're not forcing anyone to move to Vista, we're just dropping support for XP. You don't have to upgrade if you don't want to - but of course you do want, who doesn't want to have the latest and greatest, right?" Turned out, a lot of people accepted that deal and stayed on XP. So many that MS got increasingly upset and put up pressure by adding nag screens…

> Especially since the main motivation for Win11 seems to be additional capabilities for DRM/locking down the system

That, and more opportunities to insert adverts and related stalking for personal data to sell, which you agree to in the EULA.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by hulitu »

TreetopPlace wrote: post #10

I wonder if this could be classified as an environmental crime? Microsoft are forcing to e-waste a considerable percentage of the world's computing devices, and forcing new devices to be built and consumed. And for no reason other than to force people onto Windows 11. Corporations MUST be held responsible for these actions. If not at the legal level then there must be divestment of Microsoft shares by investment grou…

I bet you never owned an Android device. /s
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