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Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Haven't read the article, but does it say why'd she go for euthanasia? I'd imagine there are dignified ways of bringing this matter into one's own hands. Edit: I think this may have come off as “geez just kill yourself and spare us the drama”, but I’m just genuinely curious why’d she choose one over the other whenever I assume she has the means to pursue both.

What would be a more dignified way?

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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I wish more countries recognized the ultimate and inviolable right to self ownership. If we aren’t free to destroy ourselves if we so desire, we aren’t actually free.

The act of taking your own life has no reliance on countries 'recognizing' it nor promoting it. You are by definition free to do it. Being assisted in doing so is another topic.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

The ultimate endgame of euthanasia is that you'll be offed once you no longer have any economic value to the state.

I don't see how anyone can look at what's happening now in Canada, for example, and deny the existence of the slippery slope.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good, which is not obvious to me. I think it's good to force people to do things in many situations

I don't think we should trust 'the state' to force people to do anything. We generally need them to force people not to do a few really bad things (e.g. some basic laws), but in recent decades it feels that the concept of freedom has been under relentless attack and in an era without religion, the state is almost becoming a substitute for a god. But these days it seems that our leaders are motivated almost entirely b…

Do you think the state should allow parents of children to kill or neglect them if the parents want to? I don't personally and I'm happy for the state to try and save such children. There are countless other examples like this I could come up with.

EDIT: the second and third paragraphs were added after I wrote this message

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

#46

Haven't read the article, but does it say why'd she go for euthanasia? I'd imagine there are dignified ways of bringing this matter into one's own hands. Edit: I think this may have come off as “geez just kill yourself and spare us the drama”, but I’m just genuinely curious why’d she choose one over the other whenever I assume she has the means to pursue both.

Uh, yeah, euthanasia?

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

I feel sorry for her decision as well, but this is not wrong. Think about it for the moment.

- She can schedule an euthanasia. - She can throw herself in front of a train. - She can hang herself somewhere. - Many many other "traditional" way.

The difference here is, if she schedule euthanasia, the people provide the service will have to finish everything up for her, and they should be less traumatise compare to the train driver in the hypothetical example.

We surely shouldn't take this lightly, but this is not wrong at all.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

For someone who is physically functional, opting out is a "natural right" in the sense that it can't be removed: they can always find a way. Removing nicer options just means they'll go for messier ones, potentially causing more damage to the society, and to the individuals who have to witness the event or it's results.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

#49

I wonder if she tried MAOIs. Those are criminally underused. https://www.psychotropical.com/10-patient-stories-a-long-sto...

Maybe because leftovers can kill you if you're on them. They have gnarly side effects. SSRI's as well.

> Maybe because leftovers can kill you if you're on them.

What?

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