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7 out of every 10 Fentanyl pills seized by DEA contain a lethal dose

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So maybe start with a quarter tablet? .. Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? Edit: thank you all for your informative replies

It doesn't. It's just that the people cutting cocaine, MDMA etc. with fentanyl aren't doing so in the most accurately calibrated settings.

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Oregon tried it, and it failed. So no, not they way they did it. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-governor-signs-...

Oregon legalized it and then skipped doing any of the other stuff that was advertised as coming with it, like free addiction treatment, social programs, etc. It's a 'we've done nothing and we're all out of ideas' approach consistent with the state's approach to homelessness at various levels, where agencies won't even spend the money they already have because they don't even know roughly how many homeless people ther…

The argument was that the drug problem was caused by prohibition, but obviously that wasn’t the whole of it. The argument that the public should pay a bunch of money to deal with drug problems is a different argument.

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Some time ago, when I was a young man with right-wing persuasions, I listened to the arguments of left-wingers like John Oliver in favour of legalization. I was convinced. Let the free market sort itself out, I thought. Boy did ever I take a sharp turn towards the political center on this in the years since. Some regulations have a very high return on investment, and controlling/banning the crap out of fentanyl is on…

Because street fentanyl is currently illegal, it has zero quality control, and people wind up dead taking doses that they didn't intend. Because it contaminates other drugs, people who don't intend to take fentanyl sometimes wind up dead from it.

We would be better off if people could purchase drugs legally from places that have stringent quality control so doses could be properly controlled.

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When you legalize something you get more of it. Gotta be mindful of that.

More drugs? Why is that bad?

Because we simultaneously give people the freedom to do whatever they want to do, and also catch them when they suffer the consequences of their actions. IMO, you either have freedom and responsibility, or control and care. I'd be ok legalizing drugs tomorrow if non-drug users do not need to subsidize the care for drug users.

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post #6

Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Legalizing opiates is silly. It only takes a handful of times to get hooked and people currently use alcohol for months on end to get through hard times. Anyone with even a slight propensity for substance abuse would be an addict within a year. Contrary to the popular narrative it’s not super simple to get opiates and honestly it’s not on most people’s radars to even seek it out.

Most people grow out of drug usage by 25.

Having drugs that don't kill people before they grow out of them would be a good thing.

And, if even Michael Jackson or Prince can die of an overdose, there is something very, very wrong with our entire system.

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Legalizing opiates is silly. It only takes a handful of times to get hooked and people currently use alcohol for months on end to get through hard times. Anyone with even a slight propensity for substance abuse would be an addict within a year. Contrary to the popular narrative it’s not super simple to get opiates and honestly it’s not on most people’s radars to even seek it out.

A lot of people are taking fentanyl thinking it's something else. It's pervasive in the drug supply. Kids who are being served ads for ketamine on social media are buying street K (obviously with a confidence boost from the advertising big tech allows) and boom, fentanyl. People who have been prescribed xanax, and got a little addicted and then buy it on the street because the pharmacist and doctor are onto their misues... It's not as simple as calling it an opiate thing, and even then, opiate addicts in my book deserve to like live. We have to rethink our approach to drugs, because this isn't the same game as even a decade ago. I think legalizing and deshaming to the point of exhaustion makes sense, but I'm not sure my thought is right.

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Opiates, and many classes of illegal drugs, do very little harm. Addiction is the main feature, and if the substance has no artificial scarcity, addiction is easy to manage. There is no basis on harm reduction for the drug policies being pursued in most of the world

Long-term opiate use can really mess up your bowels. Matthew Perry nearly died of a perforated colon a couple years before he finally died from other drugs.

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