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Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Backblaze B2 is cheaper than Cloudflare R2 IA. Hmmm

I can’t get over the fact how storage is still so expensive in 2024. Lowest you can get is probably $5 per tb a month from any of these companies. A new tb hdd is probably $25 today. Where does the money go, into c suite car payments?

Well, spinning rust HDDs stuck in your server have no actual parallelism and aren't highly available, replicated, etc.

How much do you think 1TB of storage should cost?

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#42
We're onboarding to Cloudflare MagicWan and want to use them for logging, which they do to 's3-compliant' buckets.... on Google or Amazon.

I was pretty surprised at the lack of dogfooding, wondered if it's an oversight, on somebody's Gantt, or just not something R2 can handle for some reason.

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#43
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backblaze is unprofitable and publicly traded, a combination which cant last forever. They raised B2 prices 20% last year, I wouldnt be surprised to see more increases if they continue to burn through cash.

> Backblaze is unprofitable and publicly traded So is Cloudflare

The amount of profit isn't always the most important number anyway. A lot of companies choose to not be profitable while they can spend their bank account growing their business (Cloudflare is one, and Backblaze may be another but I have no idea about their finances, historically Amazon and Salesforce both did this too).

If qoq and yoy revenue keeps going up, and cost of revenue stays the same or decreases (as a percentage) in the same time period, it makes sense to spend the bank account on growth. If the growth stops, that's when you start cutting expenses like R&D and operations to get the profit. Reasoning being: getting x% of a bigger revenue is better than getting x% of a smaller revenue.

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand all of the nuances here (I'm no webmaster), but this is covered in the documentation you linked: > You must configure page rules to allow Cloudflare to fetch only your Backblaze B2 bucket from your domain. ... Otherwise, someone could use your domain to fetch content from another customer's public bucket. To ensure this does not happen, Cloudflare lets you use page rules to scope requests to…

The example shows leaving your bucket name in the url as a way to filter out requests to other bucket names. If you want your static site to have http://mysite.com/bucketname/index.html then I guess that's ok. But again, careful configuration and still not for every situation. I'm sure you can layer more rules to get it exactly right but I'd not be eager to layer on complex configuration through multiple service prov…

This is an easily solved problem. Backblaze has an example here: https://github.com/backblaze-b2-samples/cloudflare-b2

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t get over the fact how storage is still so expensive in 2024. Lowest you can get is probably $5 per tb a month from any of these companies. A new tb hdd is probably $25 today. Where does the money go, into c suite car payments?

I really believe there's a missing market. I think there would be big business in building servers for homes. Where you prioritize low power usage and low noise, and do not need blazing speeds or frequent/high access. Cloud is great, but some things should still be stored at home. Home NAS systems are a bit odd and difficult to expand (nowhere near what a rack is). My argument would be that this would be helpful with…

The problem is tech illiteracy and CGNAT.

The product must be "a router" so people can access it outside of home. Or it doesn't have to, but then you'll have to proxy traffic through you and charge for it.

And your "router server" must have a decent AP, because the likelyhood people know how to bridge their "routeraps" is pretty low.

IPv6 would help for sure, but there's still "allow 443 to this box", static registrations.

This is before even building the product

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#47
post #10

How is data stored in this tier? Is it just on big slow SMR disks?

Anecdotally, we have found R2 to be nearly half as slow to respond as the same request to S3 _proxied through Cloudflare_.

So... something isn't right here. Maybe a mechanical turk where a live human is fetching the object using Windows Explorer behind the scenes?

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#48
post #27

A fairly unrelated point, but its so strange how companies that underpin a lot of the internet struggle in the stock market. While we all wish we had sold our tech stocks in 2021, Cloudflare still hasn't recovered.

Cloudflare has a very dysfunctional sales pipeline. Their free, premium and self-serve offerings might underpin the internet, but the highly profitable offerings that are gated behind their sales teams are not getting sold. Too many of the clients that they should be selling to. Magic Transit (bring your own ASN), classic website DDoS protection (above the Business $200 tier, which has low, undisclosed data limits in…

Hit the nail on the head.

Wanted to byt their SASE DLP & Remote Browser Isolation as a startup. Sales wouldn't even talk to us

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#49
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand all of the nuances here (I'm no webmaster), but this is covered in the documentation you linked: > You must configure page rules to allow Cloudflare to fetch only your Backblaze B2 bucket from your domain. ... Otherwise, someone could use your domain to fetch content from another customer's public bucket. To ensure this does not happen, Cloudflare lets you use page rules to scope requests to…

The example shows leaving your bucket name in the url as a way to filter out requests to other bucket names. If you want your static site to have http://mysite.com/bucketname/index.html then I guess that's ok. But again, careful configuration and still not for every situation. I'm sure you can layer more rules to get it exactly right but I'd not be eager to layer on complex configuration through multiple service prov…

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Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

#50

We're onboarding to Cloudflare MagicWan and want to use them for logging, which they do to 's3-compliant' buckets.... on Google or Amazon. I was pretty surprised at the lack of dogfooding, wondered if it's an oversight, on somebody's Gantt, or just not something R2 can handle for some reason.

Yeah, the integration and production readiness of their non-core offerings is not perfect. I'm dealing with R2 and another service and you can tell they fell more like... specifically integrated features, rather than fully modular services you can choose to use as you want. Like the workers have possible R2 bindings, but you can't use those in a fetch() call - you have to use S3 compatible endpoint instead.

AWS has its own issues, but the push to have everything talking over API did wonders for the ability to use them as you want.

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