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Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by solarkraft »

asadotzler wrote: post #39
reducesuffering wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s only been a year. As SORA shows, state of the art images and videos will soon be undetectable by human eye and it’s very soon coming to proliferate every “content” you interact with.

Sora costs a fortune, like dollars per minute. It's DOA. Also when handpicked demo content shows cats sprouting and losing limbs in a 15 second clip and that's the best they got, not sure anyone has to worry about undetectable fakes, certainly not with the total lack of creativity I've seen on the image side of things.

And generated pictures are easy to identify because hands are all messed up, right?

This is just the first attempt and you're criticising details. Last time they worked them out pretty quickly.

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by HKH2 »

zachmu wrote: post #20

What's interesting to me is how quickly AI generated art came to be expected, unexceptional. Every random blog post has a couple AI generated images now, they are completely unremarkable and uninteresting. The novelty wore off basically instantaneously. They're just the new corporate art style.

Maybe people have had enough of worrying about copyright infringement, licenses, attribution etc. and just want a quick sketch to get the idea across. Art is a tool for expressing ideas after all.

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by setr »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #38
ilamont wrote: post #8

"Google is taking action against algorithmically generated spam. The search engine giant just announced upcoming changes, including a revamped spam policy, designed in part to keep AI clickbait out of its search results." Even before the AI floodgates were opened, there was a huge problem with ads and SEO-optimized junk written by humans clogging up Google, and pushing the good stuff into the SERP netherworld. People…

This is the opportunity old media has been waiting for. The only d tense against all this is an established name brand with some trust. Information networks will increase in value over people that are knowledgeable from aggregation of third hand sources. They'll drop the ball of course.

I mean they’ve had the opportunity for years, with spam and seo, already. They just chose to join in on the party and drive any reputation they did have into the ground.

Then they tried to play the reputation game again by paywalling articles, but using the dumbest mechanism of free-article-views that basically just continues to incentive seo spam from their own writers. It remains unclear to me why they haven’t adopted a model like LWN — paywall freshness instead of content altogether, and rebuild their reputation and relevance

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by mingus88 »

amluto wrote: post #34
polemic wrote: post #28

I ran into this today while searching for a way to merge channels in Slack. A google search turned up this result https://www.process.st/how-to/merge-channels-in-slack/ which describes an in-app method that does not exist . That entire website should be banned from Google.

It should also be banned from AI training data sets. Good luck to anyone trying to train an AI! As far as I can tell, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 are extremely aggressive about making up features of widely used software that don’t actually exist. I lost count of how many tables and columns in MySQL’s INFORMATION_SCHEMA they made up for me yesterday, often complete with elaborate SQL commands to query them. The next generation…

This was one of my first reactions to genAI. Sure it’s impressive now, but that’s because we trained it.

The internet is going to end up like a fuzzy mpg video that keeps getting compressed every time it gets reposted somewhere new.

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by reducesuffering »

asadotzler wrote: post #39
reducesuffering wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s only been a year. As SORA shows, state of the art images and videos will soon be undetectable by human eye and it’s very soon coming to proliferate every “content” you interact with.

Sora costs a fortune, like dollars per minute. It's DOA. Also when handpicked demo content shows cats sprouting and losing limbs in a 15 second clip and that's the best they got, not sure anyone has to worry about undetectable fakes, certainly not with the total lack of creativity I've seen on the image side of things.

I'm perplexed that there are a significant amount of people on a tech forum that can't do a simple linear extrapolation from last year to one year into the future. That would get you in the right direction, except that we're on an exponential curve.

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by epiccoleman »

klyrs wrote: post #32
orbital-decay wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current amount of SEO spam is nowhere near the 2007 levels, when the entire first page of Google results was your search query with stuff like "xxx", "2007 crack", or "download free" attached to it. >If you want to know how to solve a puzzle or compare two characters or something, it is almost guaranteed that you will come across pages of search results that seem like generated content This kind of content was never…

> This kind of content was never genuine. Maybe not in your lifetime, but in mine, high-quality game walkthroughs with in-depth statistics were pretty ordinary for even fairly niche games.

No kidding. Pour one out for the glory days of .txt game guides ala GameFAQs. No pictures, no ads, just pure plaintext information. Glorious.

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by floren »

reducesuffering wrote: post #45
asadotzler wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sora costs a fortune, like dollars per minute. It's DOA. Also when handpicked demo content shows cats sprouting and losing limbs in a 15 second clip and that's the best they got, not sure anyone has to worry about undetectable fakes, certainly not with the total lack of creativity I've seen on the image side of things.

I'm perplexed that there are a significant amount of people on a tech forum that can't do a simple linear extrapolation from last year to one year into the future. That would get you in the right direction, except that we're on an exponential curve.

Somebody post the Disco Stu graph

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by silverquiet »

reducesuffering wrote: post #45
asadotzler wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sora costs a fortune, like dollars per minute. It's DOA. Also when handpicked demo content shows cats sprouting and losing limbs in a 15 second clip and that's the best they got, not sure anyone has to worry about undetectable fakes, certainly not with the total lack of creativity I've seen on the image side of things.

I'm perplexed that there are a significant amount of people on a tech forum that can't do a simple linear extrapolation from last year to one year into the future. That would get you in the right direction, except that we're on an exponential curve.

Not all problems are linear - people have been saying for over a decade now that self driving cars are imminent, but at this point it seems like most have actually given up on them.

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by shiroiushi »

xethos wrote: post #40
logtempo wrote: post #29

Maybe it will put emphasis on the social aspect of internet. Maybe people will be more sceptikal. by having t know your source, having small but trustworthy network based on real people... maybe that will change the shape of internet and lead to premium internet service where experts are paid to provide currated informations. does not sounds too bad tbh.

I had a family dinner last week, in the Pacific North West. One topic that came up was evil government regulations that required heat pumps, with the follow-up claim being that they do not work below -5C. I cannot express the amount of shit I took for stating, un-movingly, that heat pumps work below -5C. I was shown Google search results, webpages, and was hit with professional experience from my brother, the red sea…

I wonder how much of this heat pump argument was miscommunication. My personal experience is that heat pumps don't work worth a damn in below-freezing weather, and always need to resort to resistance ("emergency") heating, which is extremely inefficient and expensive. Of course, my experience is with frequently decades-old units, or at best whatever cheap-o unit the landlord bought, not the very latest state-of-the-art system from the best manufacturer.

The other thing I've found with heat pumps is that, even when they are "heating" the air, it feels cold. The problem is they're efficiently heating the air only by a few degrees and blowing it around, but when slightly warmer-than-ambient air blows in your face, it feels cold. Gas-fired furnaces don't do this: they heat the air much, much more than ambient temperature, so it actually feels quite warm when blown in your face. (The problem here is frequently poor placement of vents, but this is common with homes and also offices.)

Re: Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

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Post by ornornor »

ilamont wrote: post #8

"Google is taking action against algorithmically generated spam. The search engine giant just announced upcoming changes, including a revamped spam policy, designed in part to keep AI clickbait out of its search results." Even before the AI floodgates were opened, there was a huge problem with ads and SEO-optimized junk written by humans clogging up Google, and pushing the good stuff into the SERP netherworld. People…

I can’t understand why they don’t apply the same mechanism as how they filter spam out of gmail and friends: why can’t I the user block/derank/prioritize domains in a custom search results ordering? Aggregating this data at google etc scale would give a pretty good idea as to which domains are junk and eventually automatically tweak results rank this way. Isn’t it how gmail spam « detection » works (or worked?) for the most part?

Kagi already does that (minus the automated part) and it’s one of their best features imho.

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