Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never understood the overpricing of ebooks... A price of a book is a price of the "data" inside (copyright) + price of paper, printing, binding, packing material and distribution A price of an ebook is a price od the "data" inside (copyright) and the price of cheaper digital distributon. So, you save on paper, boxes, trucks, you often also save on retailers (if you sell directly), and you want more money for that?…
What's there to understand? It's capitalism 101. Producers will charge the maximum the market will bear.
Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
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Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#42Sending a working person a 14 page letter about anything expecting them to read it is wild to me. Perhaps it's the quality of my writing but my personal experience is that even being way more concise, most people wouldn't care.
> Sending a working person a 14 page letter about anything expecting them to read it is wild to me His addressees were members of the editorial board. Surely the editorial board should be accustomed to reading lengthy prose? Now, writing a 14-page letter, of a quality that matches published articles, is what's wild to me.
Just a different media ;)
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#43"I love my library and the other libraries that I visit frequently, and my blood boils when I see a library being overcharged." Given the topic and my love for Knuth, I went into this paper ready to agree with him. But Knuth does a great job at stating his case. This sentence caught my eye: "Elsevier, however, ignored my letter and did not reply" - who in their right mind would ignore a letter from Knuth?!
Like a (legendary) middle manager which is in the company since the start and built it up but does not agree with the current business goals of the company. We know what happens with these managers.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Don Knuth sent me a 14-page letter, you bet I'm gonna read it. I might frame it.
I would definitely frame it. I framed an email from Norvig and a note from Dijkstra. Get joy from small things.
He replied. it was 3 full paragraphs. He told me to study algorithms and to learn python.
You're right. I absolutely should frame it.
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#45say the person with the most expensive book for sale.
Unfortunately, Knuth books are not the most expensive, by far. Sure, TAOCP is about $300, which is expensive, but it is not a single book, and it totals to about 3000 pages, which is 10 cents per page. It is actually below average for textbooks.
In his letter, he complains about articles selling at 50 cents per page, so 5 times more than his "most expensive" books. So for me, it is true that Knuth is "part of the system", and also that buying TAOCP is probably a waste of your money (because there is >90% chance you will never read it...), but here, he has a point. So much that today, many don't even bother paying for articles at all, if it is not open access and it is not on sci-hub, it gets ignored.
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#46He is attending the wrong library. Library Genesis is the way, now. And Library Sci-Hub. And I am only half-kidding.
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#47He is attending the wrong library. Library Genesis is the way, now. And Library Sci-Hub. And I am only half-kidding.
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#48American Chemical Society is the one of the main publishers in molecular sciences. Researchers at Finnish universities haven't been able to access articles published after 2023 after failed negotiations [0], greatly hindering one's - and collectively the nation's - ability to progress in these fields. It's quite frustrating, shocking, and eye-opening to have this rug pulled beneath you.
Finland is not a poor country, and the situation is surely worse elsewhere. Nonetheless, our economy and the academic funding situation is quite crappy and getting crappier. In 2022, Finnish university library consortium spent ~25M€ for subscriptions [3]. Last year, the negotiated sum for seven main publishers was ~16M€, inc the failed ACS deal. One can easily imagine better ways to use the dozens of millions.
Science is expensive and inequalities between countries/uni's/wherever are a n unfortunate fact of the world. Not every player can pay millions to get the 10M€ Cryo-EM machine, and thus can't compete in advancing knowledge frontier in this.
To some extent, constraints cultivate creativity. One can still participate through collaboration, theoretical and computational work, creative crafting of experiments with already existing equipment (& with fascinating DIY low-cost open-science hardwarex stuff!)
However, one must know the giants on whose shoulders one stands on, and the game played by the behemoth publishers attacks this fundament. The consequence - inequality in accessing knowledge is deeply disgusting in its artificiality.
Meanwhile, people at eg. MIT are able to get the whole ACS corpus in sweet delicious machine readable XML [3]. In the same time it takes for the "poor" researcher to get one email requested watermarked pdf with detached figures that they excitedly share to their group, a Boston grad student can curl terabytes and science-of-science/NLP/RAG the shit out of it.
Gap exists and grows with the arbitrarily increasing costs. Something needs to change, but for now, I'm cynical. Strong will get stronger and so on.
Thank god for open science movement living on github and *rxivs, and for the risky work taken on by shadow librarians.
[0] https://finelib.fi/sopimus-acsn-kanssa-paattynyt/
[1] https://www.kiwi.fi/display/finelib/Vuosikertomukset
[2] https://finelib.fi/kustannukset-saatava-kuriin-tiedelehtien-...
[3] https://libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/publishing/text-and-data...
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#49He is attending the wrong library. Library Genesis is the way, now. And Library Sci-Hub. And I am only half-kidding.
Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]
#50He is attending the wrong library. Library Genesis is the way, now. And Library Sci-Hub. And I am only half-kidding.