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Anyone know why this isn’t on the front page with 96 pts one hour after submission?

Hacker News is extremely strongly manipulated. What users see as popularity order is actually the order manipulated to the moderators' liking. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#behavi... I believe this is a good technical article for HN concerning safety culture of engineers, but moderators didn't think so.

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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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You do know that professional hitmen actually exist, right? You can straight up pay a guy to kill someone for you.

It would be utter insanity to ask someone who legally works for you to kill someone. Which is why that doesn't happen. What actually happens is someone tells someone to deal with the guy and a paper bag full of cash appears in front of Joe's Killin Place in the middle of the night.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaltrainal_v._Coca-Cola_Co .

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Nobody said anything about the CEO. Not sure exactly what you are arguing here. You seem hellbent on proving everyone who wants to listen that it's absolutely impossible for someone to act as an agent of a corporation in killing or ordering someone to be killed in the interest of the corporation. I understand 'movies aren't real, brah' but you seem to have some sort of superior understanding that the rest of us is lacking in order to be so determined.

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Ahem. The base rate for a healthy person dying in the week or so leading up to their important testimony is tiny . It's reasonably likely (20%+) that this was foul play.

In an infinite universe, the unlikeliest of events has happened an infinite number of times.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Irrespective of this specific case, do you honestly believe it is inconceivable one of the largest defense contractors in the world with deep connections to the military and intelligence apparatus would be capable of having an individual murdered if it were sufficiently important to their interests?

No, not they are not. The military and intelligence apparatus does not care if Boeing has to pay a fine. They will not carry out an execution at Boeing’s behest just to save them from a lawsuit. Conspiracy theorists love conspiracy theories because they allow them to feel smarter than the “sheeple” that believe the official story. They don’t care if the actual conspiracy theory is wildly implausible and stupid, it’s…

> Sorry but couldn’t be me, I am not dumb enough to fall for that cognitive hazard.

Good for you, we all strive to reach your level of enlightenment. Leave the rest of us stupid plebs alone and move along, then.

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irrespective of this specific case, do you honestly believe it is inconceivable one of the largest defense contractors in the world with deep connections to the military and intelligence apparatus would be capable of having an individual murdered if it were sufficiently important to their interests?

No, not they are not. The military and intelligence apparatus does not care if Boeing has to pay a fine. They will not carry out an execution at Boeing’s behest just to save them from a lawsuit. Conspiracy theorists love conspiracy theories because they allow them to feel smarter than the “sheeple” that believe the official story. They don’t care if the actual conspiracy theory is wildly implausible and stupid, it’s…

You vastly overestimate how hard it is to have someone killed.

It doesn't take nation-state resources to kill a random civilian. It's a few tens of thousands of dollars. Even a few million is basically nothing to a corporation like this.

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> Also weird that BBC is already memory-holing that it was a gunshot wound. Another source backs this up, and seems to have interviewed the man's attorney in the past. [0][1] It's tempting to dismiss foul play on the basis that it's too brazen in the middle of a deposition. However, that's also the height of plausible deniability because cross examinations can get personal and thus emotional. --- I can't help but be…

Movies aren’t real dude.

>Movies aren’t real dude.

If anything, the film quote is less realistic here insofar that it's not in context of a defense contractor with a large Rolodex.

Professionals tend to leave doubt rather than evidence. That said, even they make mistakes and therefore—to your point—it's unlikely it would be risked despite layers of intermediaries.

On the other hand, media cycles are short and PR is already in the trash can. This took place at the height of plausible deniability, and barring irrefutable evidence proving it wasn't foul play, it will be giving other potential whisleblowers pause.

The man's own attorney wrote:

"They found him in his truck dead from an ‘alleged’ self-inflicted gunshot."

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> Nobody working for a megacorp is loyal enough to the company to eat a murder charge just to boost their employer’s profits by 1%.

You might want to look at the lengths eBay executives went in harassing people who criticized eBay: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/30/1126078948/live-spiders-and-c...

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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"Self-inflicted wound"? Obviously the story is still developing but I'm immediately skeptical. EDIT: Also weird that BBC is already memory-holing that it was a gunshot wound. archive.is has the original. https://archive.is/wj0LE

>Also weird that BBC is already memory-holing that it was a gunshot wound.

A YT video speculated (wildly one would say) about someone's recent death simply because the cause was not announced by the family as it was under (UK) inquest. In some jurisdictions it is inappropriate (or even illegal) to state or speculate on a cause of death when it is under investigation as a suspected suicide, even just to limit the possibility of copycat or revenge cases: Only since 2016 is it legal (in NZ) to report, broadcast or even post on the internet that a death is a suspected suicide before the coroner releases their findings. AFAIK, posting any details about _the method_ is still not allowed in NZ.

This may sound antiquated (and frustrating) in an age of instant news, but jumping to conclusions can have real consequences, at least legally in some edge cases.

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