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Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple says you must be physically located in an EU country to be eligible, as determined by your device, so presumably they are checking GPS and/or cellular location data rather than just IP geolocation.

Even if on-device location is disabled?

This is how the online casinos do it in my state. They require location access on mobile or a dedicated download for desktop.

I recently spent a bit of time trying to bypass the location check (out of curiosity) and they have it pretty locked down.

The key is they require WiFi to be on so they can get around GPS spoofing.

I had even attempted re-creating all the SSIDs and other networks nearby my spoofed location but the existing networks near my real location were reducing the confidence and still getting me flagged.

One thing I learned during this was how complicit browser manufactures are in providing this information. There is no way to enable location services but disable WiFi triangulation in any mainstream browser. If you disable location permissions websites can just outright block you.

End solution was just a remote KVM setup but not exactly what I wanted.

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#42
post #21

As someone who used to be in the field of public relations before starting a career in software - I don't understand why they are doing this. Surely they realise that this stuff is going to end up on mainstream media and damage their image? EDIT: I get what people are saying about the App Store fees but reputational damage does cost money, possibly quite a lot.

Apple has been known to abuse their users like this for over a decade. Still somehow they're huge, they have a loyal fanbase of people that make excuses for it to justify their conspicuous consumption. They know it, so they do what they want.

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#43
post #28

I think this third party appstore is an existential threat to apple in the sense that no one jailbreaks there iphone, because they need legit apps, but if the EU allows third party apps stores, then Americans could start jailbreaking their phones and just using third party app stores.

How is that an existential threat to apple though? Don't they profit from selling the physical phones?

iPhone demand has reached a plateau, they need the service revenue to keep growing.

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#44
post #39
post #29

Isn’t Apple tracking your location like this a gdpr violation even if they don’t store the results?

I don’t know how it works, but I don’t see why it would need to leave the device.

… how? If I click download the epic game store and it says “No” then it has been told my location

Edit: I suppose technically it could be a client level rejection and the App Store says “idk what went wrong”

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#45
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that it’s half their bottom line

Mostly from a handful of apps, why limit everyone else?

Because there’s dozens of billions of dollars on the line and they don’t give a fuck about anything else

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#47

Though I’m happy to see the 3rd party apps - I really don’t get why people even buy apple devices if they want to side load or do other such things. In terms of camera quality, battery life, or any single criterion it’s not like apple devices are the best anyway. As a side note - I really don’t understand the logic that leaves gaming consoles exempt. As a second side note - how is apple even determining if you are an…

> I really don’t get why people even buy apple devices if they want to side load or do other such things. That's Apple's argument, but it's bs. It's like Microsoft selling you Windows with ads all over the place and then when you complain they say: "I don't understand why you buy Windows if you don't want to see ads, there are other options w/o ads."

A lot of people can't use anything other than Windows because of compatibility issue with their work software...etc. I don't think anyone's forced to use iPhone.

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#48
post #21

As someone who used to be in the field of public relations before starting a career in software - I don't understand why they are doing this. Surely they realise that this stuff is going to end up on mainstream media and damage their image? EDIT: I get what people are saying about the App Store fees but reputational damage does cost money, possibly quite a lot.

> I don't understand why they are doing this

Billions and billions of dollars, that's why.

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#49
post #19

This is very interesting because there’s really no reason for this limitation to exist with regards to EU users. The only reason I can see for this is that Apple knows their rules are so unpopular that users from the rest of the world might go as far as travel abroad or start trafficking devices to get around them.

> Apple knows their rules are so unpopular Are they? I know developers don’t like the rules, but I don’t know a lot of iPhone owners who feel particularly stifled by them. If they did, presumably they’d just buy an Android phone?

At first the Apps store rules provided an advantage to the Apple ecosystem though. And there are still some advantages that keep people in the ecosystem for now. But Apple needs to evolve their offering.

The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

Re: Apple will cut off 3rd-party appstore updates if iPhone is not in EU for a month

#50

This has a super simple solution that would break even Apple. Change the law so that any device sold must comply with the DMA for all EU citizens, regardless of domicile. Thus, any company that denies a EU citizen under the DMA, even if they live in the US, shall be considered noncomplaint. Also, to make sure no tricks are used, make sure to specify that it is illegal to require citizenship verification for DMA right…

Yes I always dreamed of uploading my passport and proof of residence to use a phone..
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