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Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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> Google fired an employee who disrupted an Israel executive’s conference keynote this week, CNBC has learned. Rightfully so. Name me the big tech company who wouldn't fire such an employee instantly.

This is why we need tech unions. We should be able to take an ethical stance without getting fired.

Their stance wasn't the issue. Their actions were.

I don't think such behavior would be tolerated most anywhere.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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My old manager put it best: No politics and religion in the workplace. Seriously, it's as simple as that. We are here to work, not philosophize about politics and current events.

Hosting an event with Israel is politics.

Israel is not a person. And this wasn't even a member of the government IIUC.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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During a keynote speech, an employee in the company’s cloud division protested publicly, proclaiming “I refuse to build technology that powers genocide.” The Google Cloud engineer was subsequently fired, CNBC has learned, marking another dark moment for Google In grade school, it was universally known that if you use violence before attempting to run away, you're getting in trouble. I don't know why companies haven't…

There's a difference between standing up in the middle of a PR session and violence, much like there's a difference between whatever might happen in a school and what Google is doing.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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Why is employee dissent such a problem in google and not a problem in other companies?

Because many other kinds of companies have unions that give the employees a means to redress issues without such stunts. Our tech lord masters have done a good job of convincing us in the industry that crushing unions as if they were the robber barons of the past is a good idea.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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> Google fired an employee who disrupted an Israel executive’s conference keynote this week, CNBC has learned. Rightfully so. Name me the big tech company who wouldn't fire such an employee instantly.

> Rightfully so. Name me the big tech company who wouldn't fire such an employee instantly. Just because something is done by most companies doesn't make it okay. Are mass layoffs "rightful" in any sense of that word?

Cringe.

Mass layoffs are part of the Faustian bargain you accept when you sign the offer letter to work at the behemoths of capitalism. These are the biggest like top 10 companies in the whole world.

It’s just business.

But then again even those making 400k plus TC make appeals to emotion instead of rational thinking.

There are plenty of jobs for these people where they can make 200k TC and not risk getting fired, which is still a good salary.

If you want more and more, you must play with the devil. It’s really not that complicated.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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My old manager put it best: No politics and religion in the workplace. Seriously, it's as simple as that. We are here to work, not philosophize about politics and current events.

> "No politics and religion in the workplace"

Supporting a state, that is actively committing a genocide, with cloud services is a political choice.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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This seems pretty reasonable as falling under the “unprofessional behavior” intelligent behavior. In my org, if I disrupted someone’s presentation over any topic I’d be fired. Or maybe severely reprimanded. This behavior surprises me because these are private orgs. So doing unprofessional things will result in firings or whatnot. It seems odd to me that people think it’s appropriate to protest within a company. If yo…

It's appropriate to protest within a company, because human beings are free to choose what is important enough to their own personal values to be worth taking actions that will have consequences, and to choose which actions they believe are worth doing. But certainly the base case expectation people should have is that such actions will result in being fired. And personally I also agree with you that this does not turn out to be a very effective form of protest. But people get to make their own choices!

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we need tech unions. We should be able to take an ethical stance without getting fired.

They weren't fired for taking a stance, they were fired for how they took the stance.

This needs to be emphasized more. It's not that they took a stance, it's definitely how they did it that warranted being fired over it.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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Why is employee dissent such a problem in google and not a problem in other companies?

Google deliberately instituted a cultural policy where employees were told to "bring your whole self" to work. The belief was that a person does their best work (and the company performs best as a result) when people bring the totality of their values and interests to work. This made it so internal discussion forums covered topics that would be completely inappropriate at most other workplaces, and people are encouraged to voice their opinions in company meetings. Likewise, there was a spirit (in principle though definitely not in practice) of "everyone here is equal," which again encourages people to be very loud.

Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum

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> Google fired an employee who disrupted an Israel executive’s conference keynote this week, CNBC has learned. Rightfully so. Name me the big tech company who wouldn't fire such an employee instantly.

> Rightfully so. Name me the big tech company who wouldn't fire such an employee instantly. Just because something is done by most companies doesn't make it okay. Are mass layoffs "rightful" in any sense of that word?

If the alternative is the company going out of business? Yes?

People can rightly protest the way layoffs are conducted but the idea that a company is "wrongful" to have a layoff sometimes is silly.

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