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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by xaro »

dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

I configured Reddit as a "Lense" (similar to what Kagi uses for things like searching across Forums, or news). With that, now I have a simple toggle at the top of Kagi which allows me to immediately turn a search into a Reddit search.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by paradox460 »

cngn wrote: post #35
dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

There are built-in bangs for reddit, and users can prioritize reddit.com as a domain if they'd like.

Not only that, but you can make it rewrite all reddit links to use old.reddit.com

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by andai »

sdo72 wrote: post #33

Why am I starting to see a lot of promotional statements within HN? Are there any bot or some army of manual labor around?

I think mostly a lot of cool stuff is being launched lately. But if I were a tech company, I'd definitely have a HN Plan ;)

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

geoelectric wrote: post #24
ec109685 wrote: post #18

How do new search engines like Perplexity and Kagi avoid getting rate limited or hitting captchas as they build and maintain their indexes? Sites have to make exceptions for Google, but likely wouldn’t care enough to allow other search engines in.

I’m fairly sure Kagi reuses Google and Bing search results, then de-craps and applies your customized preferences to them. I’m not sure it even runs its own spider.

Kagi sends “anonymized API calls to traditional search indexes like Google, Yandex, Mojeek and Brave, specialized search engines like Marginalia, and sources of vertical information like Wolfram Alpha, Apple, Wikipedia, Open Meteo, Yelp, TripAdvisor and other APIs,” and also maintains its own “web index (internal name - Teclis) and news index (internal name - TinyGem)” [1].

[1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by golf_mike »

andai wrote: post #36

Did kagi recently (past 12 months) add the unlimited plan? Last time I checked even my human search usage was way beyond their limits (Google regularly accuses me of being a bot!), and my primary interest was in 100Xing that volume with autonomous agents. Now it says unlimited, but I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use...

yes https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by rgovostes »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #22

I love using WA as a calculator since it's so good at handling units. Silly example: I just tried "average distance to moon/Eiffel Tower height" in Kagi and got "= about 1.167 million" (powered by WA).

It can't handle non-numeric quantities like "average distance to moon" but Google's calculator has handled calculations with units very well for 15 years at least. It definitely puts Apple's Spotlight calculations to shame.

I find that W|A works fine until it fails to parse my query and then I have no idea how to fix it, because the syntax is unclear.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

wielebny wrote: post #17

Pity it can't subtract time. > 16:28 - 14:50 = 22 hours and 22 minutes although, Google never could not too.

Yes, one vexing thing is the inability of search engines to convert time. 5209s to hours and minutes? Oh, I still need to tell you how to do in steps. Why is this so?

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by paradox460 »

pmzy wrote: post #39

I’ve been a paying Kagi customer for a few months now. It has reconciled me with search. Result quality is great, and the tools like fastgpt and the summarizer are precious. I was a bit reluctant but I don’t regret doing it. Really happy to see Wolfram added to it!

It feels like a glass of water on a hot day, when you didn't even realize you were thirsty. Suddenly you can find things again.

Recently I've been adding ? to a number of queries, to play with its knowledge graph and answering capabilities. It's been remarkably useful at surfacing information.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

andai wrote: post #36

Did kagi recently (past 12 months) add the unlimited plan? Last time I checked even my human search usage was way beyond their limits (Google regularly accuses me of being a bot!), and my primary interest was in 100Xing that volume with autonomous agents. Now it says unlimited, but I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use...

> I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use

It obviously does not. You’re a commercial client.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by snewman »

geoelectric wrote: post #24
ec109685 wrote: post #18

How do new search engines like Perplexity and Kagi avoid getting rate limited or hitting captchas as they build and maintain their indexes? Sites have to make exceptions for Google, but likely wouldn’t care enough to allow other search engines in.

I’m fairly sure Kagi reuses Google and Bing search results, then de-craps and applies your customized preferences to them. I’m not sure it even runs its own spider.

This does not seem to be correct. I asked Kagi "does kagi build its own index". From the first result (on help.kagi.com):

> Kagi Search includes anonymized requests to traditional search indexes including Brave, as well our own non-commercial index (Teclis), news index (TinyGem), and an AI for instant answers. Teclis and TinyGem are a result of our crawl through millions of domains, focusing primarily on non-commercial, high-quality content.

[Edit] I guess it is possible that Google or Bing are hiding under "traditional search indexes including Brave".

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